Eshnar wrote:that's ******!t and I'm shocked anyone would genuinely believe this.
First of all, atheists don't believe. This fact is the only thing they have in common. They don't follow a single doctrine, you can't talk about them as a group.
Right what I said. They don't have any values. I don't talk about them as groups because they don't believe in groups. They want to atomize society. They want us to remain strictly invididuals with only our ego.
Eshnar wrote:Atheists believe in "unlimited pleasure"? Some of them yes. Some not.
Then they are masochists !
Eshnar wrote: Some religious people believe in that too, some others not. Don't forget there are many religions out there, with some different views about this.
Then they are not as religious as they claim they are.
Eshnar wrote:Atheists believe in money about as much as every other human being of this age, religious people included.
There's no such thing as "religious people of this age." A religion remains the same through ages and never should adapt to this or that culture. These so-called religious people simply are not religious, though they think they are.
Unlimited human rights but no human duties? what the hell does make you think that?
It was one of the main slogans of May '68 in Paris. "It is forbidden to forbid."
Eshnar wrote:"Beliefs influence values because a set of values is of necessity a matter of faith. " Nope, a set of common values are necessary for any kind of society. Western countries' set of values are laical, but still a valid set of values, right?
Secularism is a religious invention by Christ (for the Western World at least). A set of common values is indeed necessary for any kind of society, which is why in any kind of human society you have religiosity. All the tenets of Christianity, Islam, etc. are critically explanable. If you don't believe in this set of values, that makes you an atheist.
Eshnar wrote:Atheism has been the driving forces behind all the horrors of the past two centuries and a half? Trolling?
Can you list all the horrors of the past two centuries and a half? I'm curious what exactly of them do you blame on atheism. I start noting that the horrors of this last century have nothing to do with atheism and much to do with religion.
Gotta love that reaction. Probably typical of atheists who think they are in the 'good' and do not want to see other people's opinion.
Atheist and anti-religious theories started with the French Enlightenment of the 18th century. The Enlightenment was the driving force behind Child Labour, free-market and the horrors of the French Revolution. Atheists would massacre the Catholic Vendeans in atrocious conditions. The Napoleonic wars were based on atheism and anti-religiosity, Buonaparte being an atheist himself.
The advent of communism is obviously based on atheism, so was Fascism (since you are Italian, I won't have to teach you that Mussolini was an atheist), so was the Cristeros War, and to some extent the Vietnam War ...