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16 Nov 2011 12:27

theyoungest wrote:Great. I hope that in 2015 the Worlds TT will be 2 km long, so we'll have a time trial for sprinters.


Preferred on the Isle of Man too..

The TT and Road Race are so biased its unbelievable lol... :rolleyes:
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16 Nov 2011 12:28

Ferminal wrote:I assume you mean the "best tter on a course without a climb of more than 500m".


i guess that climb is just a little bit longer than 500m, isn't it? i would have never said this if the climb wasn't so long but in fact look at the profile at least 5km of the climb are really serious, the rest may be considered as a slightly uphill and a false flat but it's still too hard for a normal tt i guess
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16 Nov 2011 12:40

karlboss wrote:8km at a little over 6% after 32km flat. Unless Contador is in 2009 form this by no means is a given.

Quick analysis to me suggests in Contador's best TT form of the year he was on a par with David Millar on a pan flat TT Giro, was on target realised he couldn't win and enjoyed the ride, and I'll go out on a limb and say if he rode the worlds he'd have been 2 minutes down. that's 2 min over 48, so over 32 its 1:20. 1.20 in 3km because of the rest of those 8km I don't give Contador too much over Martin at 4.8,3,3.5,6.8, and 2.7% grades.

Maybe it's easier to compare Martin and Contador when they were actually racing against each other, in the Tour? Contador's form was far from optimal there, yet he was only 1 minute down on a relatively fresh Tony M. in the closing 42 km hilly TT (and that was one day after the Alpe d'Huez stage, where he'd been on the attack all day)

Havetts wrote:Preferred on the Isle of Man too..

The TT and Road Race are so biased its unbelievable lol... :rolleyes:

The road race is not insanely hard, no? I'd say it's actually too easy for Contador, maybe even for Valverde.
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16 Nov 2011 12:42

Kvinto wrote:i guess that climb is just a little bit longer than 500m, isn't it? i would have never said this if the climb wasn't so long but in fact look at the profile at least 5km of the climb are really serious, the rest may be considered as a slightly uphill and a false flat but it's still too hard for a normal tt i guess


Well "normal" is relative isn't it? Just because the majority of TTs are more or less flat doesn't make them the only valid time trials. Just like having road races to suit sprinters or climbers or cobbled specialists, I don't see a problem with having some different TTs occasionally.
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16 Nov 2011 12:50

Ferminal wrote:Well "normal" is relative isn't it? Just because the majority of TTs are more or less flat doesn't make them the only valid time trials. Just like having road races to suit sprinters or climbers or cobbled specialists, I don't see a problem with having some different TTs occasionally.


true, but my main point was that the RR for pure time trialers doesn't exist (unlike pure sprinters who just had their RR this year) so they (time trialers) should have something instead (maybe not as prestigious as the RR but it's at least something) and they have WC TT but it won't suit them in 2014
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16 Nov 2011 12:55

Course suits Samoilau!
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16 Nov 2011 13:09

Ferminal wrote:I don't see a problem with having some different TTs occasionally.


Me neither. And if this was held now, I couldn't say who would be the favourite out of Martin, Cancellara, Wiggins, Evans, Contador or Froome. That's a good thing.
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16 Nov 2011 13:51

J Rodriguez top 10 world tt lol.

Would probably have been better if they did the descent as well, though this will be interesting.

Contador obvious favourite, hell be really kicking himself if he gets an injury or mechanical for this.

Still, if he were to win this people would probably remember that it was a different tt worlds.

Parrulo wrote:I mean who in his right mind will peak for the tour and then go onto vacation when the worlds suit them so well?


Contador did in 2009.


King Of The Wolds wrote:Me neither. And if this was held now, I couldn't say who would be the favourite out of Martin, Cancellara, Wiggins, Evans, Contador or Froome. That's a good thing.


Well Evans will be 37 so it would be difficult.

But even if it was held today, Contador would be clear favourite.

The Annency tt the climb was only 3km not a mountain like this and he scraped past Canc. The Nvegal tt, he took the flat bit easy and obliterated all on the climb.

You might get some of the young guns from now improving.

Froome is of course a good shout.
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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16 Nov 2011 15:39

Wilco Kelderman FTW !!! :P
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16 Nov 2011 15:41

I think Andrew will win the RR :D
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16 Nov 2011 15:56

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Road race profile. They don't use the same climb for whatever reason.

Anyone with profiles of what seem to be little hills (barely 200m altitude gain)?
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16 Nov 2011 16:12

if the scale on this profile is correct it should be about 2km-8% and 0,6km-11% and i would say it's a pretty good course
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16 Nov 2011 16:13

first little hill 250m @ 7%, next 5.1km @ 3.7% and last 1.2km @ 6%
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16 Nov 2011 16:16

The climbs are too soft and the loop too long. Meh. Florence is much better.
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16 Nov 2011 16:20

Descender wrote:The climbs are too soft and the loop too long. Meh. Florence is much better.


It ends on a descent doesn't it;)
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The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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16 Nov 2011 16:21

Yes, i didn't notice that a horizontal scale is 2km and calculated 8% gradient climbs, stupid me :(
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16 Nov 2011 16:22

Kvinto wrote:Yes, i didn't notice that a horizontal scale is 2km and calculated 8% gradient climbs, stupid me :(


nah, I got the numbers from the course preview, I am not that eagle-eyed
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16 Nov 2011 16:29

The Hitch wrote:It ends on a descent doesn't it;)


An easy one, but yes. :D

But there were much better possibilities around Ponferrada.
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16 Nov 2011 16:32

roundabout wrote:nah, I got the numbers from the course preview, I am not that eagle-eyed


maybe some mistake occured and they mixed up profiles. this profile is definitely more appropriate for a tt while the tt course would be better for the RR :o
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16 Nov 2011 16:47

theyoungest wrote:Great. I hope that in 2015 the Worlds TT will be 2 km long, so we'll have a time trial for sprinters.


Cancellara would still win lol.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


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