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24 Nov 2011 15:50

Didn't they move Criterium International to Corsica as a trial run for an eventual TdF start? In which case we already know the first three stages ;)
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24 Nov 2011 16:06

airstream wrote:Yeah, it would be great to include Col de la Madeleine La Chambre D 213 as the final climb at least. As far as I know that side was never used though.


in 1997 they climbed it from la chambre i'm sure.nutter stage with glandon-madeleine-courchevel.short but sharp.festina killed the race 120 km out
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24 Nov 2011 16:32

airstream wrote:Yeah, it would be great to include Col de la Madeleine La Chambre D 213 as the final climb at least. As far as I know that side was never used though.


here is a link, it has been used a few times

http://www.comitesavoieffc.com/madeleine/histoirecol.pdf

the last ones from La Chambre were 2004, 2002, 2000
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24 Nov 2011 16:50

roundabout wrote:Question is will they do the same ole 6 cities of 1903 bit again or actually try and think of something new and memorable.


Didn't I hear that they are trying to visit all French regions?

So it might be:

Corsica –> Provence –> Languedoc-Roussillon –> Midi-Pyrenees –> Aquitaine –> Limousin –> Poitou-Charentes –> Loire/Bretagne –> Normandy, Picardy/Nord –> Ardennes –> Alsace/Lorraine –> Franche Comté –> Rhone-Alpes –> Auvergne –> Centre –> Ile de France

Logistically, that would be a pain in the bollix to fit in without big transfers.
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24 Nov 2011 16:59

will10 wrote:Didn't they move Criterium International to Corsica as a trial run for an eventual TdF start? In which case we already know the first three stages ;)


There are some rumours for the first three stages.

Du col de Vizzavona aux Calanche de Piana

- Étape 1 (146 km) : Porto-Vecchio-Bastia. Parcours pratiquement plat taillé pour les routiers sprinters le long de la côte orientale.

- Étape 2 (147 km) : Bastia-Ajaccio. La RN 193, avec la ville de Corte à mi-parcours, mais aussi et surtout le col de Vizzavona classé en 2e catégorie.

- Étape 3 (155 km) : Ajaccio-Calvi. Le long de la côte occidentale, cette fois, sur un parcours sélectif dont les principales difficultés seront les cols de San Bastianu, San Martinu et Marsulinu. La traversée des Calanche de Piana constituera incontestablement le point d'orgue de l'étape.
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24 Nov 2011 17:13

Hmm, so it's flat first stage then Vizzavona with 50 to go the next day and then Marsolinu the main difficulty on stage 3 with 20 to go (nice scenery on that stage).
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24 Nov 2011 17:19

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24 Nov 2011 18:50

craig1985 wrote:No stage in Corsica is not complete without the Porto-Vecchio to make the racing interesting, but odds on that not happening?



What are you talking about? Porto Vecchio is a coastal town in southern Corsica. What is "the Porto-Vecchio"??
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24 Nov 2011 18:58

Don't forget Aspin, guys.Maybe they'll find a way to make that an MTF, like they've done with Galibier and Tourmalet recently. And then they'll do it twice, cos that's totally not played out.
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24 Nov 2011 19:21

roundabout wrote:Hmm, so it's flat first stage then Vizzavona with 50 to go the next day and then Marsolinu the main difficulty on stage 3 with 20 to go (nice scenery on that stage).


Yep, not a single stage is selective enough for the GC contenders. When you know what Corsica has to offer that just doesn't compute.

The third stage is not too bad, though. Marsolinu is no wall, but pretty steep from both sides, though only 3rd category, of course.
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24 Nov 2011 20:03

Till the official leak i will keep my hopes up :).
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25 Nov 2011 00:05

As long as they have a mountain ITT i will be happy. If they do one hilly stage in Corsica i am fine with that as well.

Will the route around France be Clockwise/ or Anti-clockwise???
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25 Nov 2011 02:08

Lupetto wrote:There are some rumours for the first three stages.


That first stage has to be almost dead flat along the coast :(

Worse than a prologue.

With the three stages all being short, it sounds like they are saving their miles for a few monsters in the second two weeks.
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25 Nov 2011 02:30

Rumours of first 3 stages don't sound too great. An alright start would be a prologue (or actually I would prefer about a 15km ITT like in '09), then sprint stage, then medium mountains/possible effect on GC stage.

For the high mountains:

Surely we bring back the finish on Plad adet, with full rollercoaster stage of 5 or 6 mountain passes. Hautacam MTF too. And Arcallis MITT. Just an idea.

Then in the Alps may I suggest we have the Alp, but just use it as a mid stage climb if logistically possible. We should return to the Ju-Plaix as not used since 2006. Col de Romme/Columbierre can provide us with a second classic descent after a hard climb finish. The other alpine stage could be Madeleine (probably 19km 8% side from 2010), maybe MTF if possible or to have it not far from finish. Or how about the return of Courcheval, as not used since 2005, and TDF's selective climbs should have differences; this would be the long grind that is not very steep one.

Either Venteoux or Mende stage in-between the main mountains to break things up.

Long ITT late on.

Probably no TTT. Bring back time bonuses.
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25 Nov 2011 07:36

greenedge wrote:Will the route around France be Clockwise/ or Anti-clockwise???


Pyrenees first.
And may I ask again Col du Granon?
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25 Nov 2011 07:52

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25 Nov 2011 08:32

McLovin wrote:Pyrenees first.
And may I ask again Col du Granon?


Is it eventual? Based on 2008 and 2009, ASO doesn't always follow the rule of the alternation.

I'd love to see a bunch Port de Pailhères-Plateau de Beille. There's nothing harder in the Pyrenees. Probably they just saved Col de la Pierre Saint-Martin for 2013.
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25 Nov 2011 08:35

gregrowlerson wrote:Ventoux in-between the main mountains.


:eek:

Absolutely no time bonuses. This is the Tour de France. It would be sacrilege.
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25 Nov 2011 09:12

airstream wrote:Is it eventual? Based on 2008 and 2009, ASO doesn't always follow the rule of the alternation.


they made that thing beacuse the centenaries of 2010 and 2011, so the Pyrenees be the last in 2010 and Alpes in 2011.
Also, in 2003 (100 years) Pyrenees were decisive. Now, in 2013 (hundred edition) is time for Alpes.

le: there is a nice climb near Cirque de Gavarnie, I don't think they ever used it. Can't remember the name, but could be a good one.
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25 Nov 2011 10:09

Corsica stages seem to be OK - some mountains of medium difficulty. It doesn't always make racing better when there are early stages for GC, e.g. everyone is fresh and stage more likely will be wheelsucked.

Since it is 100th edition I bet they'll visit all six cities of inaugural TDF - Nantes, Bordeaux, Toulouse, Marseille, Lyon, Paris. If they visit Mediterranean coast first and then head to Pyrenees we might have a lot of transitional stages between Pyrenees and Alpes unless they have long transfers.
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