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25 Nov 2011 10:22

guncha wrote:Since it is 100th edition I bet they'll visit all six cities of inaugural TDF - Nantes, Bordeaux, Toulouse, Marseille, Lyon, Paris. If they visit Mediterranean coast first and then head to Pyrenees we might have a lot of transitional stages between Pyrenees and Alpes unless they have long transfers.


It's anti-clockwise, isn't it? So I think they'll fly from Corsica to the north west, and then they can head down to the Pyrenees, taking in Nantes, Bordeaux and Toulouse, head across to the Alpes, taking in Marseille and Lyon, and then up to Paris.
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25 Nov 2011 11:28

King Of The Wolds wrote:It's anti-clockwise, isn't it? So I think they'll fly from Corsica to the north west, and then they can head down to the Pyrenees, taking in Nantes, Bordeaux and Toulouse, head across to the Alpes, taking in Marseille and Lyon, and then up to Paris.


The rumour I heard is that they are taking the ferry from Calvi or Ajaccio to the mainland, and then heading to the Pyrenees first.

Any chance of a hilly ITT from Nice to Grasse or something on stage 4? That would be nice.
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25 Nov 2011 11:35

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le: there is a nice climb near Cirque de Gavarnie, I don't think they ever used it. Can't remember the name, but could be a good one.


Col de Tentes.

The nearby Cirque de Troumouse is harder, but both climbs are partially in a national park, so I guess that's why the Tour never uses them. I don't know if that has ever been done in the past 10 or so years, a stage finish inside a NP.
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25 Nov 2011 11:47

guncha wrote:Corsica stages seem to be OK - some mountains of medium difficulty.


There will only be one mountain of medium difficulty, the one they use in the second stage. The perhaps more demanding third stage will only feature 3rd and 4th category climbs if the rumors prove to be correct.
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25 Nov 2011 12:02

barmaher wrote:The rumour I heard is that they are taking the ferry from Calvi or Ajaccio to the mainland, and then heading to the Pyrenees first.

Any chance of a hilly ITT from Nice to Grasse or something on stage 4? That would be nice.


But heading that way would be clockwise. I'd have thought that 2013 would be time to celebrate the traditions, not break them. As a nostalgic old fool, I'd like to see as many references to the past and tradition as possible - the original cities, the historic climbs (Tourmalet, Galibier, Alpe d'Huez), a tour entirely in France...hell, even a drugs scandal or two.
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25 Nov 2011 13:16

King Of The Wolds wrote:As a nostalgic old fool, I'd like to see as many references to the past and tradition as possible....

Riders using trains to gain advantage... :D
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25 Nov 2011 13:30

King Of The Wolds wrote:But heading that way would be clockwise. I'd have thought that 2013 would be time to celebrate the traditions, not break them. As a nostalgic old fool, I'd like to see as many references to the past and tradition as possible - the original cities, the historic climbs (Tourmalet, Galibier, Alpe d'Huez), a tour entirely in France...hell, even a drugs scandal or two.

You do know that if they were to do it entirely in the traditional way, there would be no MTFs? Look at the reaction with only two MTFs this year, think of what would happen then.
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25 Nov 2011 13:33

killswitch wrote:Riders using trains to gain advantage... :D


Worked for Armstrong......;)
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25 Nov 2011 13:41

I mentioned the original race in the design thread but playing around on MapMyRide and Bikemap, I can't make it work without some monsterous transfers, adding Corsica into the mix just complicates matters even more. I think it'll be a struggle. The classic mountains are simpler to factor in but I'd hoped for something better. I'll hold my cynicism in until we see the whole route but I can't say I anything different from the mundane.
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25 Nov 2011 13:49

Could be 2009-like in terms of route direction. Pyrenees and then a transfer somewhere else.

Although I would prefer to see a stage to Carpentras over the Ventoux somewhere in the first week before the Pyrenees.
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25 Nov 2011 13:54

There were Pyrenees in 2009?
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25 Nov 2011 18:55

I'm still holding out hope for a Puy de Dome finish to celebrate the 100th tour. I seem to remember an article saying that they have the infrastructure to make a mtf there possible. Really all i want is something different, the tour hasn't been very original lately.
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25 Nov 2011 18:56

roundabout wrote:Could be 2009-like in terms of route direction. Pyrenees and then a transfer somewhere else.

Although I would prefer to see a stage to Carpentras over the Ventoux somewhere in the first week before the Pyrenees.


why not: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=718061&postcount=305
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25 Nov 2011 19:18

scullster46 wrote:I'm still holding out hope for a Puy de Dome finish to celebrate the 100th tour. I seem to remember an article saying that they have the infrastructure to make a mtf there possible. Really all i want is something different, the tour hasn't been very original lately.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_railway_of_Puy_de_D%C3%B4me

Unfortunately it seems that there will be even less room



Indeed. That's precisely the kind of stage I was thinking of.
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25 Nov 2011 20:24

roundabout wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_railway_of_Puy_de_D%C3%B4me

Unfortunately it seems that there will be even less room


I'm telling you, it's not more road on Galibier than what I see in that picture.
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25 Nov 2011 20:45

The more I look at the pictures the more I agree with you.

http://www.survoldefrance.fr/photos/highdef/0/399.jpg
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25 Nov 2011 20:50

They don't necessarily have to have the podium ceremonies and stuff at the top if their isn't enough room. They did that for the tt at USPCC this year, and had the podium ceremonies at the start. Although the USPCC isn't the tour de france...
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25 Nov 2011 22:31

Yea they could have the ceremonies where the buses are park on that pic or not
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26 Nov 2011 06:14

killswitch wrote:Riders using trains to gain advantage... :D


Get a flat tyre? Change it yourself. Problem with the bike? Fix it yourself. Require any assistance for your bike problem? Time penalty for every second of assistance that you receive.

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26 Nov 2011 08:16

Zam_Olyas wrote:Yea they could have the ceremonies where the buses are park on that pic or not


Or at or near the top, if they really want to. There's enough space for a Ventoux or Galibier type of stage finish. Prudhomme has always said it was a priority, so maybe there's local opposition?
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