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07 Dec 2011 04:49

Fetisoff wrote:Image


I didn't know that Stephano Garzelli had a second career. Lookin' sharp there.
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07 Dec 2011 04:49

Looking back at LBL, the attack the dropped Kolobnev didn't seem like a really hard attack, it just seemed like Vino rode him off his wheel. I'm not saying that Vino did/didn't pay kolobnev off, but it definitely isn't outside the realm of possibilities

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iXItnZpmxM
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07 Dec 2011 05:35

gooner wrote:If this is true it makes a mockery of the event and the legitimacy of it all. Didnt landis say that races could be bought easily?


Races have been bought and sold since the very early days of the sport. It doesn't happen so often now but it certainly does happen.

Also, its not just money - look at Gilbert's behaviour at the end of the year once he had an agreement to go to BMC.
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07 Dec 2011 05:51

I move to fold this thread into the Vino Comeback Thread lol. And then create a separate Vino (sub)Forum! Vino4-ever!

(even if against the rules, buying/selling of races and buying the help of other riders/teams for tactical purposes is as old as the sport and it seems a bit out-there for a magazine to suddenly decide to start writing about this, using Vino as an example. was the publication in question a cycling magazine?)
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07 Dec 2011 05:52

$100,000 for LBL does indeed seem cheap. You'd think that La Doyenne is worth a bit more. We need a poll: how much would it pay to gift
1) MSR
2) RVV
3) PR
4) LBL
5) Lombardia
6) a stage at the Giro
7) at the TdF
8) at the Vuelta
9) the Worlds
10) some other classic

Obviously stages have been gifted for various reasons, so 6-8 are maybe not good examples.
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07 Dec 2011 06:09

How much do you recieve when you win LBL?
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07 Dec 2011 06:10

I would say P-R of all the Classics would cost more, then RVV, and L-B-L.
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07 Dec 2011 06:12

Eric8-A wrote:How much do you recieve when you win LBL?


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http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2011/04/liege-bastogne-liege-2011/
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07 Dec 2011 06:19

Yeah, that's a lawsuit all right.

I hope Vino will unleash the same badass lawyer on them that made him dodge the UCI fine.
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07 Dec 2011 06:21



Divide that 20K between the team members. This does bring up a few questions. In these situations do the teammates of the bribee get a taste or does bribee take the whole 100K for himself? Do the teammates even know that Kolobnev sold the race? Do the teammates get p!ssed to find out they are out about a thousand euros that they would have gotten from the win?
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07 Dec 2011 06:29



That said, what is a win in L-B-L worth for negotiating your next contract?
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07 Dec 2011 06:30

I'd say the person taking the bribe keeps it all to himself.
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07 Dec 2011 06:34

BroDeal wrote:... In these situations do the teammates of the bribee get a taste or does bribee take the whole 100K for himself? Do the teammates even know that Kolobnev sold the race? Do the teammates get p!ssed to find out they are out about a thousand euros that they would have gotten from the win?


Speaking from experience, though not at the level of Vino of course, if the deal was arranged b/w Vino and Kolobnev w/o the knowledge of or assistance of their director(s), then no, the teammates would not typically get a taste. B/c they would not typically know. I don't believe that the teammates of 2nd place finisher would be upset based only on the prize money differential, b/c with a bribe that big, Kolobnev might be inclined to hand-out consolation prizes to his teammates for his not winning, though that's not "required" by any means.

It's more complicated when directors are buying the help of other teams/riders or selling their own squad's services. Then everyone involved has to know what's going on and what the benefit is that they'll see - either financially, or strategically in the context of the race (typically stage races).
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07 Dec 2011 06:52

I would keep the bribe quiet, because if I told my team mates and gave them a 'cut' of the bribe, what's stopping one of them from spilling the beans on what happened if they test positive and they want to drag me down as well? The only person I may tell would me my wife, but that's about it, nobody, so it can't get out that you took a bribe and you wouldn't have that cloud over your head with people gossiping and speculating that you took a bribe or not.
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07 Dec 2011 07:06

I hope this is not true as I had money on Kolobnev to win LBL at odds 52!
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07 Dec 2011 07:21

for me it's absolute nonsense! :mad: To change LBL win which can write your name in history for 100.000? Is Kolobnev really so cheap to make this choice? His salary was 500-750.000, how it could change with LBL win if we talk just about money?
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07 Dec 2011 07:41

The only way i can see Kolobnev selling LBL for just 100k is that he was tired and didnt believe in his chances anymore, so he basically offered his help for 100k and not the win.
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07 Dec 2011 07:52

things like this are gentleman's acts which don't leak in the press,happened all the time.my serious worry is why vino isn't using an anti-virus or why has he such a lame password?lol hopefully this was the most important leak.not a biggie.
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07 Dec 2011 08:02

jens_attacks wrote:things like this are gentleman's acts which don't leak in the press,happened all the time.my serious worry is why vino isn't using an anti-virus or why has he such a lame password?lol hopefully this was the most important leak.not a biggie.


More is sure to come. I mean look at Vino. You know the guy's a playa. That dawg has to have five or six girlfriends, each in a different country. The magazine now has Vino's contact list and will be tracking down the hotties.
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