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28 Jan 2012 03:15

OK So I have thought about creating this thread long and hard. In the off season I was having a conversation with a current pro and he said its like 'one step forward two steps back'... and he told me of performances that have come out of nowhere and surprised the peloton because of a certain drug.. I would think of certain individuals who came to the fore in the tour and the vuelta, because of TB500...

http://www.tb500.com/ That is the link.

I'm sorry if people think I'm being pessimistic or trying to damage the sport.
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28 Jan 2012 03:21

This stuff promotes angiogenesis, which is a necessary component of cancer metastasis.

If cyclists are taking this stuff without proper medical supervision, they're insane.
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28 Jan 2012 03:39

Thanks for the reply, I understand its becoming the drug of choice at the moment, and its very expensive..
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28 Jan 2012 04:52

Don't worry. I'm sure that the new level of competitiveness of cyclists who came out of Omega Pharma, where a soigner was caught importing this stuff, and then went to a team, where another soigner was caught importing EPO, would not use this stuff. Dominating hilly classics or winning a Tour at the oldest age since--what?--World War II is all down to clean living.

Before labs start testing for it, the UCI will be helpful enough to warn the peloton that they are cracking down on this scourge...so the riders can move on to the next scourge.
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28 Jan 2012 05:04

'Drug Free Performance' :lol
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28 Jan 2012 07:38

BroDeal wrote:Don't worry. I'm sure that the new level of competitiveness of cyclists who came out of Omega Pharma, where a soigner was caught importing this stuff, and then went to a team, where another soigner was caught importing EPO, would not use this stuff. Dominating hilly classics or winning a Tour at the oldest age since--what?--World War II is all down to clean living.

Before labs start testing for it, the UCI will be helpful enough to warn the peloton that they are cracking down on this scourge...so the riders can move on to the next scourge.


Unless or until you have a single scrap of evidence, hearsay or direct, shut your mouth about Cadel.
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28 Jan 2012 07:41

laziali wrote:Unless or until you have a single scrap of evidence, hearsay or direct, shut your mouth about Cadel.


Shut your own damned mouth. It's not my fault that he rode for one dirty team after another and now rides for the man who personally paid for Landis' doping program.
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28 Jan 2012 07:48

BroDeal wrote:Shut your own damned mouth. It's not my fault that he rode for one dirty team after another and now rides for the man who personally paid for Landis' doping program.


So no evidence then, eh? Thought not. Oooh, look, an albatros just flew into your flapping pie hole.
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28 Jan 2012 10:41

Everyone stay polite or face sanctions. This is an official warning.

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28 Jan 2012 10:42

I would not be surprised.

How old is bottle? 38 and racing like a 28 year old. Aint natural i tell ya.

Riders stupidly trust what they are told by their team doctors. Teams are scared sponsors will pull out and do anything to win. Pulling out of cycling has probably put the scare on lots of teams, riders and DSs so it is pull out all the stops to get wins this year and if Tb500 will get results pump it in to the donkeys. When was it any different?

As for Evans, he has rode for a lot dirty teams and Rihs is one of the diritiest in cycling. Evans has been a smart guy but the dots lead to the dope and when dots join up in cycling we (well those of us will a basic level of intelligence)know how the results are achieved.
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28 Jan 2012 10:43

:S calm down fellow, getting a bit aggresive here, be nice and stick to the topic please..
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28 Jan 2012 11:10

Benotti69 wrote:I would not be surprised.

How old is bottle? 38 and racing like a 28 year old. Aint natural i tell ya.

Riders stupidly trust what they are told by their team doctors. Teams are scared sponsors will pull out and do anything to win. Pulling out of cycling has probably put the scare on lots of teams, riders and DSs so it is pull out all the stops to get wins this year and if Tb500 will get results pump it in to the donkeys. When was it any different?

As for Evans, he has rode for a lot dirty teams and Rihs is one of the diritiest in cycling. Evans has been a smart guy but the dots lead to the dope and when dots join up in cycling we (well those of us will a basic level of intelligence)know how the results are achieved.


I was also thinking of a certain Sky rider who pretty much came from nowhere in the Vuelta..
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28 Jan 2012 11:11

Moose McKnuckles wrote:If cyclists are taking this stuff without proper medical supervision, they're insane.


You mean the same type of proper medical supervision Jesus Manzano was under when he almost died out on the road?

How do you properly supervise the administration to humans of drugs made for horses? Wait, why don't we ask Bruyneel when the Tour rolls around?


Benotti69 wrote:I would not be surprised.

How old is bottle? 38 and racing like a 28 year old. Aint natural i tell ya.


Thirty-two miles per hour average at his age during a time-trial is disgusting.
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28 Jan 2012 11:17

greatking88 wrote:Thanks for the reply, I understand its becoming the drug of choice at the moment, and its very expensive..


1 vial = $450. Expensive, but compared to the $millions floating around the peleton, not so much.

How often can TB-500 be administered?
Horses - Use one 10mg vial every week for a 6 week period
Greyhound - Use half of one 10mg vial every week for 6 weeks


Dang - there's no recommended dosages for cyclists. Looks like it's a guessing game.
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28 Jan 2012 11:19

greatking88 wrote:I was also thinking of a certain Sky rider who pretty much came from nowhere in the Vuelta..


Or thinking about it Brailsford and his amazing revolution with making Brit track cycling into the best in the world and yep Froome.
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28 Jan 2012 11:20

doolols wrote:1 vial = $450. Expensive, but compared to the $millions floating around the peleton, not so much.

Dang - there's no recommended dosages for cyclists. Looks like it's a guessing game.


Must be somewhere in between the horse dose and greyhound dose, well for the donkeys that is.
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28 Jan 2012 11:23

Berzin wrote:You mean the same type of proper medical supervision Jesus Manzano was under when he almost died out on the road?

How do you properly supervise the administration to humans of drugs made for horses? Wait, why don't we ask Bruyneel when the Tour rolls around?


Will the Schlecks risk their health to win a TdF? of course they will.

Will Bruyneel risks riders health to enrich himslef? Of course he will.

Berzin wrote:Thirty-two miles per hour average at his age during a time-trial is disgusting.


I wonder is this the new koolaid that we are seeing in Argentina? And those who are willing to take it are seeing the results. how long before the rest follow?
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28 Jan 2012 11:28

Benotti69 wrote:Or thinking about it Brailsford and his amazing revolution with making Brit track cycling into the best in the world and yep Froome.


Noooo - that was all about marginal gains. You know, 1% here, 1% there, a bit of aerodynamics, a little injection ... oops.
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28 Jan 2012 11:33

doolols wrote:Noooo - that was all about marginal gains. You know, 1% here, 1% there, a bit of aerodynamics, a little injection ... oops.


'Marginal gains' is the scientific name for Tb500 ;)
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