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Which one is the best race: Tirreno-Adriatico or Paris Nice?

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Which one is the best race?

Tirreno-Adriatico
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57%
Paris-Nice
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43%
 
Total votes : 188

06 Mar 2012 18:32

Libertine Seguros wrote:How is Montelupone that different from Montée Laurent Jalabert? Sure, the latter is a bit longer, but how is Montelupone a BAD hill?



The Côte de la Croix-Neuve (let's call it by its real name) is a bit longer and the maximum gradient is 12%.

I'm all for hard climbs but at a certain gradient, when the riders almost have to dismount, a hill becomes more of a circus game than true cycling.

Climbs like Angliru, Koppenberg, Montelupone, Zoncolan, etc. do not add much to the races, I think.
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06 Mar 2012 18:40

Echoes wrote:The Côte de la Croix-Neuve (let's call it by its real name) is a bit longer and the maximum gradient is 12%.

I'm all for hard climbs but at a certain gradient, when the riders almost have to dismount, a hill becomes more of a circus game than true cycling.

Climbs like Angliru, Koppenberg, Montelupone, Zoncolan, etc. do not add much to the races, I think.


I don't think so, it still about the rider's quality if he makes it without dismounting or not, and the guys that have to dismount are nowhere anyway because they would've been dropped brutally if it was a bit less steep.

However, I do not think that we should be trying to reach 30% grades or race on stuff like scannupia.
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06 Mar 2012 18:44

Mellow Velo wrote:

Form an opinion form one edition?
P-N certainly didn't suck today.
Pretty impressive for a flat stage.


I can't say anything from the PN or TA prior to 2009 cause I didn't follow them at that moment. THIS YEAR, im pretty sure TA will be better, because PN is nothing more than a prologue, two hill sprints, a wall and col d'eze tt. There's no serious climbing. I do not say it's going to be an uninteresting race. Last year was much worse
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07 Mar 2012 10:08

cineteq wrote:Cadel thinks so too :D

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I will vote after T-A but so far P-N looks great.
I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong

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08 Mar 2012 16:20

Well, they really tore it up at Tirreno in today's 230km epic.:rolleyes:
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08 Mar 2012 16:22

OK, voting Tirreno. "Queen" stage of P-N was disappointing
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08 Mar 2012 16:24

At the same time it wasn't a vintage a Paris-Nice stage today.
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08 Mar 2012 16:25

Fetisoff wrote:OK, voting Tirreno. "Queen" stage of P-N was disappointing


Both races aren't over. Why vote now, even of Paris-Nice seems to be underwhelming yet again?
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08 Mar 2012 16:30

roundabout wrote:Both races aren't over. Why vote now, even of Paris-Nice seems to be underwhelming yet again?


I dunno really... lol... Just kinda felt like it. Probably due to being disappointed by the P-N stage. I doubt there's gonna be too much action in the road stages coming, TT is... well a TT.
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08 Mar 2012 16:35

Sanchez will go on the attack on Saturday's stage and gain 5 minutes. :o
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08 Mar 2012 16:57

roundabout wrote:Sanchez will go on the attack on Saturday's stage and gain 5 minutes. :o


And the Pope will win time-trial by 3 minutes.. If that happens, I will register two sock puppets just to vote for P-N, and neutralize my earlier vote :D
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08 Mar 2012 20:31

Tirreno, easily. P-N has been really dull these last two years.
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09 Mar 2012 00:25

I have to say Tirreno after todays stinker in paris-nice. At least tirreno is always full of attacking riders.
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09 Mar 2012 00:34

roundabout wrote:Sanchez will go on the attack on Saturday's stage and gain 5 minutes. :o


Samu isn't riding ;)
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09 Mar 2012 01:42

The Hitch wrote:Samu isn't riding ;)


LOL. Rabo fans just can't catch a break these days
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09 Mar 2012 05:44

roundabout wrote:Both races aren't over. Why vote now, even of Paris-Nice seems to be underwhelming yet again?


You did not think stage 2 was exciting nor the 21 cyclists to the line on a flattish stage???
I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong

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09 Mar 2012 06:50

Fetisoff wrote:OK, voting Tirreno. "Queen" stage of P-N was disappointing


The queen stage sucked, looks like P-N will ounce again be decided in the time trial. Hoping for an actual climbing battle in Tirreno.
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09 Mar 2012 16:06

The Hitch wrote:Samu isn't riding ;)


I thought about writing LLSG, but it should have been obvious to anyone watching Paris-Nice with both eyes open who I meant.

As it is, I'm a day and 286 seconds off.
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09 Mar 2012 16:08

greenedge wrote:You did not think stage 2 was exciting nor the 21 cyclists to the line on a flattish stage???


One stage doesn't make a race.
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09 Mar 2012 16:10

With zero normal bunch sprints so far, I'd say P-N has been pretty great. One big mountain stage and it would have been close to perfect.
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