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Paris-Nice 2012 - Stage 5; Onet-le-Chateau - Mende (178.5 km)

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09 Mar 2012 01:59

Just finished watching the stage. Wiggo attacked; I almost fell out of my chair :D He looks strong if a bit gutted after the line...don't know that anyone can take him now. Maybe Levi in the ITT if Wiggo has an off day.

Isn't it Early to have this kind of form? He'll have to repeak for le Tour. Sky looks pretty formidable. With Porte and Froome in his service le Tour could become even more interesting!

Disappointed a bit with Valverde, oh well. TJVG getting dropped was also disappointing, but he is only 23 he still has plenty of time to mature.
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09 Mar 2012 02:46

Froome19 wrote:He could be but imo I highly doubt it, dont kid me he will become a top class rider who I'm sure will have races like Paris-nice on his palmares but his climbing just doesnt correlate with his time trialling so unless he totally discards it and focuses on his climbing i dont see how he will improve enough as a rider to be able to be competitive on the climbing front. This is also as his TT is disproportionate to where you are suggesting he should be at so unless he is the next Martin just better at climbing, he is evidently to close to his peak to improve enough as a climber.


Isn't it a little early in his career to be writing him off in a particular discipline that he isn't exactly excelling at (but isn't exactly failing completely at either)?
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09 Mar 2012 05:01

Did they ride up the climb on the same road as in the 2010 Tour? Looked quite different but could have been the camera shots. Also interesting they did not finish on the flat section.
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09 Mar 2012 05:26

Just watched the stage. Congrats to Westra- who has pulled something astonishing out of the bag and who could ITT well enough to challenge Wiggins ( usually a good ITTer anyways and he can use any steep parts to gain time ). Wiggins owes a lot of thanks to Porte though- though he rode well himself. Levi did well.

Whoever said Westra is a beast ( maybe not on this thread was absolutely correct ). Found who it was @theyoungest
"Westra third in a sprint. The Beast of Frisia is coming into form" Pg 15 stage 4 P-N thread.
I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong

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09 Mar 2012 05:36

Froome19 wrote:Yes but Froome had a reason for it his parasite infection etc (balau...) Van Garderen is showing his best capabilities at the moment something froome never had the opportunity to do.
Of course Van Garderen could suddenly develop and do a froome and become an amazing climber over night but do we really have to take such an occurence account.
I'm saying Froome never showed anything in the [B]TT or climbing of sufficient substance so he evidently made a leap (probably due to his illness)[/B] Van Garderen has shown what he is capable of with his TT so he evidently is at a good point and riding towards his potential and yet has not shown anything that matches that with his climbing.


Oh ok. So TVJG would be showing much more GT future armstrong potential if he was riding in the autobus with the sprinters! Now I understand the logic :p

He can of course still improve. It just depends on his will to work hard and train hard. (and maybe some other things...:o)
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09 Mar 2012 07:22

woodburn wrote:Did they ride up the climb on the same road as in the 2010 Tour? Looked quite different but could have been the camera shots. Also interesting they did not finish on the flat section.


yep same road but in all tour de france editions,the finish was on the aerodrome.

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:In the end they were 20 seconds slower than Contador's 3 times up here (9:30 on all attempts).

Gives you an idea what a race with Contador means.


hmmm not exactly 9:30 but yes it was a pretty boring ascent.god damn richie porte was drilling it at the front for 6 and a half minutes,one of the strongest performances i ever saw on mende.

to compare the time ascents from paris-nice with those from le tour is kind of silly.in le tour they always go faster.

the top ascents from paris-nice editions:

2007 9:39 Alberto Contador 19.27 km/h
2007 9:41 Davide Rebellin 19.21 km/h
2010 9:43 Alberto Contador 19.14 km/h
2007 9:51 David López García 18.88 km/h
2007 9:52 Cadel Evans 18.85 km/h
2012 9:52 Lieuwe Westra 18.85 km/h
2010 9:53 Alejandro Valverde 18.82 km/h
2010 9:53 Samuel Sanchez 18.82 km/h
2007 9:56 Tadej Valjavec 18.72 km/h
2012 9:58 Alejandro Valverde 18.66 km/h

for lieuwe westra let's just say
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overall of course marco untouchable.

Côte de la Croix Neuve-Mende
2012:3,1 km@10,1%---9:52---average speed 18.85 km/h(Lieuwe Westra)
2010:3,1 km@10,1%---9:33---average speed 19.48 km/h(Contador-Rodriguez)
2010:3,1 km@10,1%---9:43---average speed 19.14 km/h(Alberto Contador)
2007:3,1 km@10,1%---9:39---average speed 19.27 km/h(Alberto Contador)
2005:3,1 km@10,1%---10:35---average speed 17.57 km/h(Marcos Serrano)
1995:3,1 km@10,1%---9:48---average speed 18.98 km/h(Laurent Jalabert)
---9:03---average speed 20.55 km/h(Marco Pantani)

2005 9'33 armstrong basso evans ullrich
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09 Mar 2012 08:51

greenedge wrote:Whoever said Westra is a beast ( maybe not on this thread was absolutely correct ).


That's actually his 'official' nickname. It's been around for quite some time now and it has not been invented by anyone on these boards.
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09 Mar 2012 09:13

Swede1 wrote:Oh ok. So TVJG would be showing much more GT future armstrong potential if he was riding in the autobus with the sprinters! Now I understand the logic :p

He can of course still improve. It just depends on his will to work hard and train hard. (and maybe some other things...:o)


Ummm... no you dont because he would still be riding strong TT, so no he wouldnt be showing as much as armstrong.

My point about Froome was that there was evidently some reason as to why he made his leap, its not up to me to explain it but its obvious that there is, yet thats not possible with TJVG as he is already a top rider (in TT) so a leap of that magnitude is highly unlikely, of course he could do a westra but seeing from how he ,unlike westra, has been slightly competitive in climbs it seems like his limitations are visible, I'm not discounting the possibility of him improving but his previous perfomnaces suggests he will be a slightly better version of Tony Martin.
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09 Mar 2012 09:17

boomcie wrote:That's actually his 'official' nickname. It's been around for quite some time now and it has not been invented by anyone on these boards.


It's been invented by a fairy kingdom somewhere in the very north of a ghastly place called the Neverlands.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


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09 Mar 2012 10:01

El Pistolero wrote:It's been invented by a fairy kingdom somewhere in the very north of a ghastly place called the Neverlands.


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09 Mar 2012 10:10

Meanwhile, back in El Pistiland, King Gilbert has been all but decapitated.
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09 Mar 2012 10:22

theyoungest wrote:Meanwhile, back in El Pistiland, King Gilbert has been all but decapitated.


Meanwhile regent Boonen isn't doing all that bad.
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09 Mar 2012 10:25

boomcie wrote:Meanwhile regent Boonen isn't doing all that bad.


And the princes GVA, Meersman and Sep Vanmarcke aren't doing too bad either. King Phil, kind as he is, has decided to give the less talented foot-soldiers a month to show their strength.

Meanwhile, the hostilities continue. King Phil is planning a take-over which shouldn't be hard considering the inferiority of the enemy. King Westra the first went into hiding the moment he heard the news. Our spies have tracked down his location all the way to Mende, a little town.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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09 Mar 2012 10:26

I'm not talking about Belgium, I'm talking about El Pistiland, where Gilbert is king.
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09 Mar 2012 10:30

theyoungest wrote:I'm not talking about Belgium, I'm talking about El Pistiland, where Gilbert is king.


And Boonen is regent? Or has something changed during my time of relative inactivity?
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09 Mar 2012 11:01

boomcie wrote:And Boonen is regent? Or has something changed during my time of relative inactivity?


You don't get it.
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09 Mar 2012 11:13

Kwibus wrote:You don't get it.


Care to explain?

As far as I'm concerned, Pistolet is a giant fan of Gilbert. That makes him king of Pistiland.

But as I recall, he's also a huge fan of Boonen, which makes Tom regent of Pistiland during the absence of the king.

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09 Mar 2012 11:14

For someone who only visits this forum to make lame jokes, your capacity to ruin a lame joke is quite extraordinary.
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09 Mar 2012 11:16

theyoungest wrote:For someone who only visits this forum to make lame jokes, your capacity to ruin a lame joke is quite extraordinary.


Very contradictory post.
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09 Mar 2012 11:18

calm down guys no need to get personal here
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