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TDF 2012: Titans Collide. Dennis Menchov Versus Cadel Evans...possible rivalry.

10 Apr 2012 13:24

Both strong veteran riders, with Menchov probably the greatest all around cyclist to ever live has his best chance for a Tour win. If he is ever going to win the tour, it will be this year, and it will complete his rider portfolio, winning all Grand Tours.

Only one man truly stands in Menchov's way, and that's Cadel Evans.

These two titans are ambassadors to the sport. Living legends in their own right on the pedals.

I would favor Menchov however overall. If he can finally be free of bad luck in this tour, I think he can climb better than Cadel, and he can beat Cadel in the time trial. But Menchov being free from bad luck is like a rattle snake without his rattle...probably not likely.

I think we might see a rivalry between these two. I think Cadel and Menchov are head and shoulders above everyone else barring Andy some how musters up great time trials, or has a legendary showing in the mountains.
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10 Apr 2012 13:39

SilentAssassin wrote:Both strong veteran riders, with Menchov probably the greatest all around cyclist to ever live has his best chance for a Tour win. If he is ever going to win the tour, it will be this year, and it will complete his rider portfolio, winning all Grand Tours.

Only one man truly stands in Menchov's way, and that's Cadel Evans.

These two titans are ambassadors to the sport. Living legends in their own right on the pedals.

I would favor Menchov however overall. If he can finally be free of bad luck in this tour, I think he can climb better than Cadel, and he can beat Cadel in the time trial. But Menchov being free from bad luck is like a rattle snake without his rattle...probably not likely.

I think we might see a rivalry between these two. I think Cadel and Menchov are head and shoulders above everyone else barring Andy some how musters up great time trials, or has a legendary showing in the mountains.


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10 Apr 2012 13:41

Kinda like Arnout who whines about everything Belgian related.

Silentassasin is a notorious troll on here, so I wouldn't even have bothered reacting if it wasn't for your post.

I let the results speak for them self, not someone's opinion.

Look in the mirror before you call other people trolls by the way.
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10 Apr 2012 13:51

I think Menchov's best days are behind him. He's not going to win.
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10 Apr 2012 13:52

I thinks Evans is the favourite here. He is riding much better. The way Evans climbed and timetrialed in last years tdf was amazing I don't think Menchov could have beaten him. Wiggins and Andy are two other contenders.
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10 Apr 2012 13:55

jsem94 wrote:I think Menchov's best days are behind him. He's not going to win.

Just like Evans best days was behind him after the 2010 TdF and Boonen's best years was behind him in 2011 :rolleyes:
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10 Apr 2012 13:59

El Pistolero wrote:Kinda like Arnout who whines about everything Belgian related.


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10 Apr 2012 14:02

so two legends going head to head on the biggest stage? Anyway, I think Menchov's task is somewhat difficult. He needs to take time on the grinder group (Evans/Wiggins) in the mountains because he will drop time in the TT's (perhaps not much). The solution is to stay with A Schleck when he attacks, but that will likely leave Menchov very exposed. If the Russian can take time on the hills, it will certainly be better for the race overall.
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10 Apr 2012 14:03

Dazed and Confused wrote:so two legends going head to head on the biggest stage? Anyway, I think Menchov's task is somewhat difficult. He needs to take time on the grinder group (Evans/Wiggins) in the mountains because he will drop time in the TT's (perhaps not much). The solution is to stay with A Schleck when he attacks, but that will likely leave Menchov very exposed. If the Russian can take time on the hills, it will certainly be better for the race overall.


I think now Evans is a better climber than Menchov in the mountains. Their TT might be somewhat similiar. But I think evans can produce better timetrials, including prologues. For the hills Evans is way better than menchov.
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10 Apr 2012 14:08

i hardly can imagine menchov victorious screenplay. it's somthing surrealistic, say, Menchov is the strongest after Schleck climber, able to keep up with him longer evans and wiggins and extract time out of it. in addition, he'll have to do both tt's better those 2. utterly complicated task.
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10 Apr 2012 14:10

dlwssonic wrote:I think now Evans is a better climber than Menchov in the mountains. Their TT might be somewhat similiar. But I think evans can produce better timetrials, including prologues. For the hills Evans is way better than menchov.


You could be right (Evans better in both areas), but I would entertain the idea that Menchov could play with the attack group (A Schleck) in some areas to give us neutral fans something to look forward to.
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10 Apr 2012 14:11

I don't think Evans and Menchov are head and shoulders above the other GC riders. Evans struggled to win last year even though he rode a sensational TT. But Evans can do that for three weeks while others can't. I think the race will be similar to last year without Contador to blow the field apart in the mountains and the final TT will decide it. I have more doubts about Menchov than I do about Evans. Wiggins climbing will probably decide the race. He will have to be consistent on all of the mountain stages. To me Schleck can't win, I have thought that since the route was announced and see no reason to change my mind now.
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10 Apr 2012 14:32

dlwssonic wrote:I think now Evans is a better climber than Menchov in the mountains. Their TT might be somewhat similiar. But I think evans can produce better timetrials, including prologues. For the hills Evans is way better than menchov.


Fair enough. Evans had a legendary showing last TDF. But I some how doubt he can repeat that kind of a performance. And I just don't see Cadel getting time on Menchov in the mountains. I think Menchov can be superior in the time trial. And with over 100km of time trial, this course suits Menchov more than any other rider if he still has the legs.
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10 Apr 2012 14:42

Menchov was the third/fourth best climber in the Tour of 2010 and the best time trial specialist. It's definitely possible for him to win the Tour if he can reach that level again. Evans reached his old level again last year after a few bad years in the Tour, so why would it be impossible for Menchov?

IF he reaches his level of 2010 Menchov is a big favorite for the yellow jersey in Paris.

***** Denis Menchov, Cadel Evans
**** Samuel Sanchez, Bradley Wiggins

That's your top 4 of the Tour if nothing bad happens to them.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


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10 Apr 2012 14:46

SilentAssassin wrote:Both strong veteran riders, with Menchov probably the greatest [deleted] cyclist to ever live has his best chance for a Tour win.


Fixed that for ya.
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10 Apr 2012 14:55

Sanchez is the X factor I think. Very dangerous in the mountains and he has had some good time trials. Certainly he is the dark horse. To me Wiggins is of no concern. He'll fade with the Autobus eventually.

If Cadel and Menchov get blown up in the mountains, it could very well be due to the damage of Schleck and Sanchez. I'd look to Schleck and Sanchez to work together if they are smart in the mountains to try to get time on Cadel and Menchov.
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10 Apr 2012 15:22

Menchov might not win the TDF but might make someone lose it and might climb himself on the podium.

On the other hand from who will he have support in his team in the mountains? Moreno?
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10 Apr 2012 15:24

Arnout wrote:Image


How so?

You are the one who called him out, labeling him a "fan troll" even though he had not made a post in this thread. So you hijacked the thread, baited him and insulted him, despite the fact that he was not in the thread.
Then when he did respond to your post, which he has a right to because you called him out, you call him a troll.

Don't quite get it.
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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10 Apr 2012 15:26

SilentAssassin wrote:Sanchez is the X factor I think. Very dangerous in the mountains and he has had some good time trials. Certainly he is the dark horse. To me Wiggins is of no concern. He'll fade with the Autobus eventually.

If Cadel and Menchov get blown up in the mountains, it could very well be due to the damage of Schleck and Sanchez. I'd look to Schleck and Sanchez to work together if they are smart in the mountains to try to get time on Cadel and Menchov.


Also don't forget the 2 descent finishes the Tour has this year. I hope Samu can rediscover his descending legs!
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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10 Apr 2012 15:31

El Pistolero wrote:Also don't forget the 2 descent finishes the Tour has this year. I hope Samu can rediscover his descending legs!


He seemed to descend pretty well in Pais Vasco this year.
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