Caruut wrote:Doubt many people would have thought of Cobo as a GT winner before last year, but he did it too.
Clinic issue. Take it there. There is a reason Saunier Duval hot tailed it out of the 2008 Tour before anyone demanded they leave. The reason wasn't Piepoli's yet to be uncovered doping positive...it was Cobo. Plenty of saucy rumours about him out there on the cycling grapevine. Doing what he was...yeah it's absurd, but winning a GT as weak as last years Vuelta was theoretically feasible. Hence why I said Wiggins needs an improvement on par with Cobo's over 3 weeks to podium at the Tour.
Bravo! A fine argument! For someone who has been accusing others of being selective with their points, this is a bit hypocritical. Yes, Contador came 5th. It's notable that you fail to mention who came 4th - Thomas Voeckler. A great rider on classics and short tours, but a GT rider he ain't. There is little doubt to most that Wiggins is a better GT rider than Voeckler.
Context once again. I don't have to spell all the givens out for every reader. Cycling forum, you should know this yourself. Heck look at all the favourites for the Vuelta. All raced the Giro, they all bombed out. Contador backed up the hardest Giro in 20 odd years with a 5th at the Tour. Context...use your brain. Oh and fine job insulting the French. Voeckler thoroughly deserved his 4th...heck he'd have come 3rd if he didn't goof up on the Alpe d'Huez stage. ACtually his effort is equal with Wiggins best. You've got nothing else superior (Vuelta third doesn't count against that opposition). Oh and he went out held yellow for how long? Equal on paper. Wiggins hasn't shown he's superior, yet I don't hear French fans screaming Rolland or Voeckler will win the Tour...oh but of course, the Poms will scream Wiggins is a dead cert.
Fantastic, you can use hindsight like the rest of us! At the time, not such a bad call. Wiggins had placed 4th at the Tour before, and they were just going to place all their eggs in a basket that had barely even placed at a major race before?
Deflection. Typical of a pom or someone supporting a Brit. Not hindsight, common sense. People said it here on the forum as the Vuelta unfolded. If the Wiggins band camp pulled their heads out of their arses this would have been glaringly obvious as it unfolded. He wasn't proven. Worse, they were so convinced Wiggins was the numero uno, they didn't know one of their own was superior. All that training, all the numbers and yet they didn't know. If their focus was on all riders, not just Wiggins, they'd have known. That's my point. Linear thinking. No alternative. Sure at last years Tour they had alternatives who could stage hunt. Is that good enough this year though whilst sprouting such grand aspirations of winning the biggest GT in the world? Yeah of course it is.
Has anything changed that would convince me they've learnt from their mistakes? Nope. So it is a possibility of happening again. Add that up today and what do you get? A team who are that inept! Great confidence booster dude. That's Pommie patriotism running rampant and unchecked.
Rigoberto Uran is a better climbing domestique than Garmin offer. Otherwise this is just a load of waffle. Brits being more arrogant than Russians. Lovely generalisation, but I'm not sure what basis or relevance it has. Little bit of a jibe about an acrimonious transfer, again, just waffle padding out your posts.
Wow, I have to explain it all again for you. One rider. One rider does not equate to a climbing juggernaut team of domestiques. Maybe if his name were Franck Schleck you'd have a point. Sure you mention Uran, he is good, but it's about quantity here. Overall climbing abilities of all Garmin riders is superior. Vande Velde, Hesjedal, Millar and whoever else they decide to pack on the team, is greater than Uran, Porte and Rogers. Porte and Rogers will be dropped quite early. They keep up, the GC riders are going easy. Oh and this is from an Aussie...they're meh. Garmins overall climbing pedigree is higher. That's the pommie arrogance I was talking about. What's that, you don't agree? From the horses mouth champ. Wiggins himself. Surely you remember his Wigan vs Man Utd parting jibe directed at a team that flogged themselves so he could upgrade his pay packet?
Nah probably not. That's essentially all Wigans is about. Dah money!!! Doesn't matter if he doesn't deliver, he's got a contract that was worth triple what Cavendish's HTC contract was worth! That's the real joke. One rider who ******ed up all of 2010 was being paid triple what the rider with the most seasonal wins was earning...there is perspective for you.
So now you can see into the future. You're criticising Sky for tactical failures they haven't even made yet. Maybe it's time to take a few breaths and stop thinking about Wiggins for a few days.
Now you're telling me what I can do! How prophetic of you. Sky are criticised for tactical failures they have made and failed to either acknowledge or rectify. What does that tell you about their thinking and psyche? Like you they are in for a nasty surprise. Failures that can easily manifest again. When Cadel Evans had 'team issues' did he keep committing them? Yes, then he learnt his mistake, acknowledged it, fixed them and won the Tour de France. If Sky don't address the issues they have, Wigans won't even make the podium. The same line of thinking that resulted in last years Vuelta flop cannot be used to solve the underlying problem. As far as one can tell, Sky don't even think there was an issue...yet Wigans is a favourite to win a harder GT against vastly superior opponents!!!