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Why is Lance Armstrong so Hated?

02 May 2012 07:16

Before you guys accuse me, Im not a fan of lance armstrong, never was.
I am pretty new to cycling, only started watching in 2009. However after being in the forum for the past few years. I have realised that 99% of the posters hate lance armstrong greatly. Is it because of the accusations against him of doping?? Or is it people don't like his personality??
Because other accused dopers are not hated as much around here such as Ricco, Rasmussen, Vino.
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02 May 2012 07:32

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02 May 2012 07:43

dlwssonic wrote:Before you guys accuse me, Im not a fan of lance armstrong, never was.
I am pretty new to cycling, only started watching in 2009. However after being in the forum for the past few years. I have realised that 99% of the posters hate lance armstrong greatly. Is it because of the accusations against him of doping?? Or is it people don't like his personality??
Because other accused dopers are not hated as much around here such as Ricco, Rasmussen, Vino.


Expect to be flamed for even asking the question.....

By the way, nobody seems to "hate" him, they have a thousand other ways of describing their disgust for him, but they don't "hate" him.

The clinic disgust seems to apply to almost anyone who wins a professional race these days though.
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02 May 2012 08:35

I used to be a fan myself, wanted to make business with the guy, channel millions to his so called charity, the works. The animosity ont his particular forum intrigued me. I set to reading what people had to say. The yellow faded to the bad poo kind.
I think, at least in The Clinic, those who express themselves negatively about the guy, could write a pretty well founded essay on the reasons why. Heck, the essay would need an index. My semi-objective impression is that other riders just don't offer cycling fans these reasons. Lance is unique in many respects, and has taken fair reasons to dislike a racer to the next level.

Which factors are most crucial? Frauding yourself to 7 TdF wins in a row is very impressive. Other frauds recognize this, and team up with him in other endeavours.
For me, the charity seems to be of great importance. There are so many who lie about PEDs. He uses the lie holding up his whole career, to give the most desperate of patience false hope. And just that, but to enrich himself, and gain political leverage to further defend his lie and ugly truths.
This I think is more important than the general personality traits he displays. Or the superiority complex as a rider/manager.

It's starting to sound like a long list already huh?

When it comes to Lance, the world is divided in few categories: those who did reading on him which he didn't co-author, and those who use the man himself as a source. A small group of (un)lucky few know the dark truths, yet find themselves in positions where the need to work with him. I can imagine they need to be paid top dollar to put up with Lance. Even when running such a wonderful charity.
In the future, many socialogical and psychological books will be based just on this phenomenon. The hero that shouldn't have been. Who chose himself.
Only in America, these things happen. Will 50 years from now, the yellow movement be filed as a cult or even sect? Just might.
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02 May 2012 08:35

dlwssonic wrote:Is it because of the accusations against him of doping?? Or is it people don't like his personality?


Well accusations is not the word I would use...

Hells bells, where does one start!

Betsy, WSJ and SI would all be able to get the ball rolling

I can hear Tyler in the background "Wait for me"

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02 May 2012 08:39

Why is Lance Armstrong so hated?

Because he's a ****.
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02 May 2012 08:48

dlwssonic wrote:Ricco, Rasmussen, Vino.


Ricco is immensely hated too.

The reason for the Armstrong hating as far as I'm concerned is, that
1) he's a huge fraud
2) he got away with it
3) the whole cult around him ****es me off
4) he's exploiting cancer for his personal gain, even financially
5) he's just an all-around ******bag
6) he was a boring rider
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02 May 2012 09:11

The chasing down of Filipo Simeoni
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02 May 2012 09:20

I must say I don't hate the guy, dislike is a better description. I dislike him for:

* cheating
* lying
* commenting on Sastres' Tour Win as being the worst winner of the Tour ever
* coming back to the peloton making a mockery of other riders
* harrassing other riders
* being the ultimate omertaist
* commercialising his cancer survival

In retrospect, seeing him sprinting uphill, come on, guys like Bahamontes would be ashamed.
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02 May 2012 09:30

andy1234 wrote:The clinic disgust seems to apply to almost anyone who wins a professional race these days though.


Being suspicious doesn't equate to hate, does it?
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02 May 2012 09:43

Avoriaz wrote:The chasing down of Filipo Simeoni


Aye, bully boy tactics not worthy of a champion.
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02 May 2012 09:54

Pretty sure this question has been asked and answered hundreds of times on this forum alone...
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02 May 2012 09:56

I am not sure we need yet another new thread on this subject, there are already countless threads on Lance that only require a quick thread search to find the answers. We already have too many at the moment.

Beaten to it by Martin.
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02 May 2012 10:11

Martin318is wrote:Pretty sure this question has been asked and answered hundreds of times on this forum alone...


Yes, many similar topics

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/search.php?searchid=2077166
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02 May 2012 10:43

I believe many of the people here went through the Armstrong era listening to Phil and Paul's constant rambling about weight loss and high cadence (interspersed with some random Armstrong interview talking about how much talent Ullrich have) -- That is something that could make anyone hate the guy.

No, seriously. He's big, made a huge impact in the sport. Cheating of course. But he seems to get away with it. And still have a huge following. Of course people who'd like to see a clean sport dislike the guy. That he seems to be a huge *** just adds to that.
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02 May 2012 10:52

Avoriaz wrote:The chasing down of Filipo Simeoni

Yup, this event sums up his whole personality. Of course at the moment it's exposed on Twitter for all to see.

Wikipedia sums it up nicely, also check the references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filippo_Simeoni#Feud_with_Lance_Armstrong

Beware though, you may be disgusted with pro cycling after reading this. Also remember that when certain forum members say they miss cycling's EPO (test) era of the late 90s/early 2000s, this is what they want to go back to.
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02 May 2012 11:03

I think the questions does deserve it's own thread, or a cluster of threads. For newbies is can be easy to not get the big picture.

Let's compare Indurain, the closest thing to Lance in terms of career perhaps.

Lance gives the world new reasons to dislike him on new levels on a frequent basis. Just read the news on him for the past year, and the way he wears his cancer shield even in the tri swims.
Indurain is different. Chooses silence over lies. Modesty over blatant self-promotion. Quiet life versus a brand named after oneself, without a real product. No intimidations, large federal fraud, no lawyers chasing anyone who can be chased.

I am greatly disappointed in my recent realizations of Indurain's moral career, but it doesn't necessarily place him near the top of a hate-list. His doping and not being open about it (keeping omerta) are my sole grapes with the guy. That goes for thousands of pro cyclists. They know who they are. Most of them don't give us more reasons to dislike them. Just start an LBS or become a sports products rep. Coming clean can confirm a suspicion with initial response of anger, but also makes me dislike them less than those who keep the lie a-lie-ve strongly.

To contrast the responses by me and others, it would be interesting to make a list of reasons why we should like Lance. Stuff we can agree about. Like no-one will argue that he's a friendly guy to adversaries, what positive trait can we all agree on? Here's one, he did, like the other thousands, train hard, and innovated every way he could in order to win. And he's quite a ladies man, who can get such women to go to a public diner with them, let alone have babies with?
Help me out here, I'm running dry on positive things to say.
OK, his young worlds win indicates that his crazy solo training paid off. He's got a quite classics final in the legs.
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02 May 2012 12:16

Avoriaz wrote:The chasing down of Filipo Simeoni

that showed his true colours - not a nice human being.
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02 May 2012 12:23

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02 May 2012 12:23

andy1234 wrote:The clinic disgust seems to apply to almost anyone who wins a professional race these days though.


Exactly this. I'm not sure how these people can enjoy spending every day for years working themselves up into these little "hater" frenzies they all have.
It always just boils down to bickering between themselves like schoolchildren in the end.
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