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11 Jul 2019 18:33

Did about what I expected, lost a minute to GC contenders today. Now a minute and a half or a little less behind top GC riders, I think he is precisely where he didn’t want to be - not completely beyond hope for a podium on the basis of time loss, but also pretty unlikely to get there. Currently at 20th in GC, which he can’t be happy with, and a lot of serious GC contenders between him and the podium.

Dropping time definitely makes the most sense, but I have never really thought Nibali particularly suited to stage hunting, or at least not from an early break. Think if he wants a stage, he is going to have to ride with the GC leaders, and either be the strongest on a stage, or hope that they will let him go at the end of the stage. A stage win is a stage win, I suppose, but am wondering if there is an argument for not dropping time.
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11 Jul 2019 18:47

Summoned wrote:Did about what I expected, lost a minute to GC contenders today. Now a minute and a half or a little less behind top GC riders, I think he is precisely where he didn’t want to be - not completely beyond hope for a podium on the basis of time loss, but also pretty unlikely to get there. Currently at 20th in GC, which he can’t be happy with, and a lot of serious GC contenders between him and the podium.

Dropping time definitely makes the most sense, but I have never really thought Nibali particularly suited to stage hunting, or at least not from an early break. Think if he wants a stage, he is going to have to ride with the GC leaders, and either be the strongest on a stage, or hope that they will let him go at the end of the stage. A stage win is a stage win, I suppose, but am wondering if there is an argument for not dropping time.



There are a few hill type stages that would suit Nibali ...including if he can go in the break or make a late attack off the front ...Stages where climbs are hard for Sagan & Van Aert
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11 Jul 2019 21:36

Watched the finish of the stage again, and I am wondering if he was having a mechanical issue in the last 100 meters? He looked rough, no question, but the way he was riding made me think it may have been compounded by mechanical issues. But I really don’t have much knowledge to base that on.
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11 Jul 2019 21:55

Summoned wrote:Watched the finish of the stage again, and I am wondering if he was having a mechanical issue in the last 100 meters? He looked rough, no question, but the way he was riding made me think it may have been compounded by mechanical issues. But I really don’t have much knowledge to base that on.


No, he blew up completely. I rewatched the moto camera which was on him at some point in the finale. He was dropped and was struggling with Krushweak. Krush got a gap then Mollema passed from behind and Nibali got to his wheel. When that final 24% kicked in he almost got to a stand still. Though not his type of finish, he should have done better, it was just a reminder that he doesn't have the shape to contest the overall.

Right now I think he could finish in top 5-10. We don't like that and we want him to win a stage but what matters is what he decides next. Winning a stage will be very hard.
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12 Jul 2019 12:57

Most likely he'll soldier on. The Lone Old Tired Wolf.
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13 Jul 2019 13:36

Rollthedice wrote:Most likely he'll soldier on. The Lone Old Tired Wolf.


:surprised: :surprised:

Time to regroup, lose lots of time and try for stages. Then off to Trek were Legends die :sad: :sad:
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13 Jul 2019 15:44

So stupid TBM forcing him to ride the Tour... not easy to have a decent finale of the season either... but he has to try, he lacks racing, must race a lot this season imho.
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13 Jul 2019 15:55

Breakaway tomorrow with some French dudes.
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13 Jul 2019 16:26

He needs to take it easy for a couple of stages, get some rest on Tuesday and try next week.
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13 Jul 2019 18:01

Didn't expect that Giro would take so much out of him. But then again all of those who did the Giro seem kind fo second hand, Nibali, Zakarin, Simon Yates. But on the other hand Landa and Mollema are still going well.
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13 Jul 2019 19:15

Lequack wrote:Didn't expect that Giro would take so much out of him. But then again all of those who did the Giro seem kind fo second hand, Nibali, Zakarin, Simon Yates. But on the other hand Landa and Mollema are still going well.


It's how it always was, that's Vincenzo. What's not very nice is that the team, by pushing him to ride the Tour is putting him an embarrassing situation. Maybe he can turn it around and win his sixth stage in the Tour but it will be very hard.

Slongo said today that he cracked more mentally than with his legs, it's useless to continue if you are not convinced in what you can do. He said that Nibali is not even disappointed. Take some rest and find new objectives.
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14 Jul 2019 00:40

NIbali should not be at the Tour ..he was never going ot make a dent on GC and why would a champion want to try and win a stage which is not guaranteed .. Shame as Niblai could have had rest and done the Vuelta and the worlds
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14 Jul 2019 00:51

I think I said it earlier, but I agree that he is not really equipped to be a stage hunter. That being the case, I think dropping out now makes a lot of sense.

One thing I find slightly interesting is that he has not asked much of the other riders from Bahrain Merida thus far. I really do think they made an effort to allow for the other riders to pursue their own objectives in the Tour as much as possible. Which makes me think that Dennis may be targeting more than the ITT, that Teuns will try again, and that there is absolutely no reason for Caruso to be at the Tour.
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14 Jul 2019 13:17

Climbing wrote:So stupid TBM forcing him to ride the Tour... not easy to have a decent finale of the season either... but he has to try, he lacks racing, must race a lot this season imho.


Totally agree. And if he believes he doesn't 'have it' he won't. Why they couldn't let him skip the Tour and fight for Vuelta and Worlds is beyond me. This way they get Nothing instead of possible late season wins. Poor Vince. Maybe he'll 'get sick' and pull out. But he's not that kind of guy.
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14 Jul 2019 13:48

Carols wrote:
Climbing wrote:So stupid TBM forcing him to ride the Tour... not easy to have a decent finale of the season either... but he has to try, he lacks racing, must race a lot this season imho.


Totally agree. And if he believes he doesn't 'have it' he won't. Why they couldn't let him skip the Tour and fight for Vuelta and Worlds is beyond me. This way they get Nothing instead of possible late season wins. Poor Vince. Maybe he'll 'get sick' and pull out. But he's not that kind of guy.


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14 Jul 2019 19:00

He's not going anywhere! Never Give Up!

Ci sono giornate dove si regalano emozioni speciali e poi ci sono giornate dure come queste, tutto questo fa parte del nostro sport come nella vita quotidiana . Never give up. @letourdefrance #sprintcycling @bettiniphoto #photo @lucabettini87

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15 Jul 2019 09:06

Nibali hits back at Tour de France armchair critics after losing time
'It's easy to watch the Tour on TV and criticise people on social media' says Italian

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-hits-back-at-tour-de-france-armchair-critics-after-losing-time/
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15 Jul 2019 11:54

He is unnecessarily getting wound up. Other than Dumoulin or Froome nobody has managed the Giro Tour double well. Slongo and TBM created the hype for GC and so fans will expect. Nobody commented in 2016 when he did the TDF as training for the Olympics as there was no such expectation.
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