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17 Jul 2013 16:32

Jelantik wrote:Good post xrayvision. I think saxo has a camaraderie within their squad now. They fight together as a team. They believe in their leader and collective strength as a whole. I've never seen alberto in a team full with big name united for one cause. I hope they get the win they after, either tdf win, podium, team gc etc. Next year, this team should be stronger.

On hindsight, maybe this is not AC year. But he can certainly take the lesson to improve next year. Rogers said that every team are playing catch up with sky's method, including saxo. They are all by a mile behind. But Saxo is slowly catching up. So next year will be a tell if they finally catch up with sky. Not winning is probably a good motivation of alberto to do better next year. I don't believe Froome will be able to hit this kind of performance again next year. He'll be strong but not this strong. Everyone is playing catch up now.


Yes you right, and they must have a good insight to how SKY is working with Jongh and Rogers, but implementing it into a working system will take more time and experts, but at least they have something to work with.

I don´t think Froome can copy this performance next year either, Wiggings couldn´t and also other teams now knows they have to make changes, and I also think Kreuziger could be a man for the future, lots of material for Saxo to work forward with.

Riis just been interviewed on TV, no secrets, there will be attacked all the way to Paris.
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17 Jul 2013 16:32

boladelmundo wrote:But if Cadel Evans can win TdF when he was at 34 yo, why couldn't Bertie win any GT at 31 or 32 yo?


32 is not a bad age in cycling.
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17 Jul 2013 16:35

murali wrote:whats this **** about Froome interested in dominating? Why are you guys giving froome so much credit? He is scared. He is a sheep, It takes a wolf to beat a wolf. Expect more tactical mistakes from Froome. The race is not yet over.

And I don't understand the concept of gifting stages. AC is not some person in the bottom of GC who is only interested in stage wins.


Course its what he said in an interview.
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17 Jul 2013 16:35

oldcrank wrote:I was kind of hoping Froome-Dawg would gift this stage
to El Pistolero...as sort of a sign of the changing of the
guard...a final tip of the hat to the tired old warrior.


Baloney.....Berto doesn't want any gifts and neither do we!
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Alberto Contador: "And yes, it is true that for me it's the same to finish second or 10th."

Vincezo Nibali joins Anquetil, Gimondi, Merckx, Hinault and Contador as only the 6th winner of all 3 Grand Tours! Bravo Lo Squalo!
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17 Jul 2013 16:36

Chapeau to Contador. Man of the day obv. For the entire grand scale of drama ITT should have been the way it really was.
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17 Jul 2013 16:38

Carols wrote:Baloney.....Berto doesn't want any gifts and neither do we!


:D:D:D:D

10 fu.... char why in gods name dont you remove this BS rule?
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17 Jul 2013 16:40

LaFlorecita wrote:Podium is not good enough.


please read me initial comment. I said 75% AC is enough for podium. If AC is fully fit, then it is still impossible for anyone to beat him.

If AC was in full form, then he would not have lost time in the 2 MTFs. The only place where he would have lost time is the flat TT. In fact, i think that AC would have put Froome under stress way back in stage 8 itself.

Also, i don't think that AC understood Quintana's tactics before this tour.

in short, AC is still better than Froome.
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17 Jul 2013 16:40

2nd place is such an improvement versus the 15th place on the first ITT of this Tour. Chapeau to Contador. He limited his losses to Froome to a mere 9 seconds. I think Contador could win a future Tour, if he has a strong enough team to keep him protected.
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17 Jul 2013 16:41

xrayvision wrote:
Riis just been interviewed on TV, no secrets, there will be attacked all the way to Paris.


Bjarne :) Rain coming, Berto finding form, Purito and Movistar...there will be Fireworks! Froome going to bed saying 'do I have enough time, geez I just scraped past them today'.
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Alberto Contador: "And yes, it is true that for me it's the same to finish second or 10th."

Vincezo Nibali joins Anquetil, Gimondi, Merckx, Hinault and Contador as only the 6th winner of all 3 Grand Tours! Bravo Lo Squalo!
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17 Jul 2013 16:49

Carols wrote:Bjarne :) Rain coming, Berto finding form, Purito and Movistar...there will be Fireworks! Froome going to bed saying 'do I have enough time, geez I just scraped past them today'.


Don't count on movistar and katusha, just don't. They'll be rather enemies than rivals.
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17 Jul 2013 16:51

Miburo wrote:Don't count on movistar and katusha, just don't. They'll be rather enemies than rivals.


What allies do you objectively hope (hoped) for?
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17 Jul 2013 16:51

Another great interview with Bjarne a minute ago, I try make a resume.

He was asked about the team competition, if it meant something, he said yeah, the guys feels it great, they worked hard for it, so its a great morale boost.

Then some rumors about the weather tomorrow, it said it could rain and thunder and another rumor was if that is the case the organizers could perhaps shorten the stage and only climb the alpe once.

Riis´s answer to that: Yes I heard the rumor to, but I hope it wont happen.
We want to race...with a sneaky smile on his face.

He has a plan and he expects fireworks tomorrow.
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17 Jul 2013 16:53

Miburo wrote:Don't count on movistar and katusha, just don't. They'll be rather enemies than rivals.


As far as I know, Euskaltel are the only Spanish friend of Bertie in the peloton.
So, yeah, Movistar and Katusha are not going to help much.
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17 Jul 2013 16:53

Miburo wrote:Don't count on movistar and katusha, just don't. They'll be rather enemies than rivals.


They will help shred Sky to get Froome isolated. After that interests will diverge, but they will have helped Saxo in the process. No alliance just a common purpose then each on their own.
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Vincezo Nibali joins Anquetil, Gimondi, Merckx, Hinault and Contador as only the 6th winner of all 3 Grand Tours! Bravo Lo Squalo!
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17 Jul 2013 16:56

Actually thinking about it.

Make a deal with movistar or katusha. Only one of them is possible, for the following reason.

Offer Kreuziger's 3th place to either of them. Belkin is not relevant anymore.

If they help them purito or quintana gets the 3th spot. Sky can't make that offer, saxo bank can.

Maybe quintana can take the 3th spot without help but does movistar wanna risk it? Saxo can just give it to him.

Riis is there, make the deal Riis.
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Your Garmin guys are getting killed.
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17 Jul 2013 16:57

boladelmundo wrote:As far as I know, Euskaltel are the only Spanish friend of Bertie in the peloton.
So, yeah, Movistar and Katusha are not going to help much.


Interesting... I read a rumor that said, "Nieve to Saxo for 2014."
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17 Jul 2013 17:00

Miburo wrote:Actually thinking about it.

Maybe quintana can take the 3th spot without help but does movistar wanna risk it? Saxo can just give it to him.

Riis is there, make the deal Riis.


Do they really speak/make a deal (by team owner/DS) before a race? Wouldn't it be better if the riders "speak between themselves" on the road as if it was happening naturally due to common goals?
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17 Jul 2013 17:00

I swear I saw Katusha drop all of Sky but Lil' Richie and Froome yesterday. They won't be laying down arms. Quintana wants podium. Common goals up to a point, Saxo benefits.

EDIT: Oh I forgot Saxo now has 3rd!
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Alberto Contador: "And yes, it is true that for me it's the same to finish second or 10th."

Vincezo Nibali joins Anquetil, Gimondi, Merckx, Hinault and Contador as only the 6th winner of all 3 Grand Tours! Bravo Lo Squalo!
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17 Jul 2013 17:07

xrayvision wrote:Another great interview with Bjarne a minute ago, I try make a resume.

He was asked about the team competition, if it meant something, he said yeah, the guys feels it great, they worked hard for it, so its a great morale boost.

Then some rumors about the weather tomorrow, it said it could rain and thunder and another rumor was if that is the case the organizers could perhaps shorten the stage and only climb the alpe once.

Riis´s answer to that: Yes I heard the rumor to, but I hope it wont happen.
We want to race...with a sneaky smile on his face.

He has a plan and he expects fireworks tomorrow.


Thanks, this is good :) Glad the boys morale is up with those yellow helmets. They have to feel good about today's performances by Berto and Roman also.

Xray you are right this is a Team that is gelling into a powerhouse :)
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Alberto Contador: "And yes, it is true that for me it's the same to finish second or 10th."

Vincezo Nibali joins Anquetil, Gimondi, Merckx, Hinault and Contador as only the 6th winner of all 3 Grand Tours! Bravo Lo Squalo!
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17 Jul 2013 17:09

i don't think movistar and katusha will work for saxo. After all, purito got screwed out of his vuelta win by contador. Any place ahead of contador is what purito wants. Valverde is going to help quintana got podium. So in a sense of that they must attack, the 3 of them has a common goal. Just not the same person who they want to attack. Purito and quintana, wants to attack contador and kreuziger. Contador wants froome. Kreuziger will hang tight. So does rogers for team GC. So yes, sky will have to deal with the attack. Coz if quintana and purito goes to attack saxo boys, contador will respond. And guess what, if contador goes.. god knows that froome isn't going to let him out of his side.

Gap stage, lil' richie was already briefly pop by the relentless drill from katusha at the beginning then, saxo boys added to it. That's only 2 teams. So tomorrow, it will be at least 3 team are attacking each other, then bye bye ritchie.
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