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05 Jun 2013 06:01

Nilsson wrote:You certainly have some valid points, Climver. The problem with guys like Contador is that they just don't get that. He is a class above the others, has a different mentality, his own style of riding and is used to take matters into his own hands (if something apparently doesn't work out) and last but not least: more often than not he will not be corrected, if he makes a mistake or should do something in a different manner...

I once read a piece by Karsten Kroon, which also points that out.


Thx for sharing. Nice read.
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05 Jun 2013 06:12

xrayvision wrote:Oh boy, you truly don´t understand shyt about cycling

Thanks, I'm deeply touched :) But bear in mind if he gets beaten by a rider of a 'lower class' I'd be entitled to tell the same about you. I won't do that, though.

and that you lose all kind of objectivity due to your hate for the guy is just pathetic, and yet hilarious.

Lol, c'mon, standart friendly pin. :) check it out in the Tour if you like
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05 Jun 2013 06:37

Nilsson wrote:You certainly have some valid points, Climver. The problem with guys like Contador is that they just don't get that. He is a class above the others, has a different mentality, his own style of riding and is used to take matters into his own hands (if something apparently doesn't work out) and last but not least: more often than not he will not be corrected, if he makes a mistake or should do something in a different manner...

I once read a piece by Karsten Kroon, which also points that out.


thanks for sharing Nilsson. And Climber, nice observation. I saw him always alone too and wondering where his team mate. The article and Climber's observation at least give us something to discuss. I guess, that's the problem of most of great rider huh? I don't think the situation is uncommon either, even in a regular workplace, sometimes the star employee forgets that they can rely on their coworker to complete the project. With sky domination and Froome/Porte duo, it's not a bad idea for contador to rely on his teammate more. Maybe that's why Saxo DS is talking about 'more communication' as one of their objective.
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05 Jun 2013 07:14

Netserk wrote:You're right I misremembered. My point was that if he was affected my illness on that stage (and therefore also in the ITT), he'd be able to do much better if he wasn't sick. Perhaps well enough to win.


And my point has always been that he wasn't affected by illness on that stage ;)
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05 Jun 2013 07:39

Nilsson wrote:You certainly have some valid points, Climver. The problem with guys like Contador is that they just don't get that. He is a class above the others, has a different mentality, his own style of riding and is used to take matters into his own hands (if something apparently doesn't work out) and last but not least: more often than not he will not be corrected, if he makes a mistake or should do something in a different manner...

I once read a piece by Karsten Kroon, which also points that out.


Again reading way too much into it. I read this piece several months ago and it never struck me as negative as you make it out to be (different mentality, will not be corrected)

Again, Cimber can't tell Alberto what he is doing wrong or what he should do. Just don't. It looks silly.
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05 Jun 2013 07:42

Jelantik wrote:thanks for sharing Nilsson. And Climber, nice observation. I saw him always alone too and wondering where his team mate. The article and Climber's observation at least give us something to discuss. I guess, that's the problem of most of great rider huh? I don't think the situation is uncommon either, even in a regular workplace, sometimes the star employee forgets that they can rely on their coworker to complete the project. With sky domination and Froome/Porte duo, it's not a bad idea for contador to rely on his teammate more. Maybe that's why Saxo DS is talking about 'more communication' as one of their objective.


What makes you think he doesn't rely on his teammates? He does. But when his teammates cannot cope and are getting him into trouble, he takes care of himself. And I like it that way. I much prefer to see him alone in a safe place than on the ground with several teammates around him.
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05 Jun 2013 08:05

Even Noval and Jesus, who he brought with him, does not seem to be able to do what he wants, as they dont seem to be able to stay with him at all times.

I think it is partly because he feels he is strong enough to deal with things on his own and does not need someone to protect him at all times.
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05 Jun 2013 09:06

airstream wrote:Thanks, I'm deeply touched :) But bear in mind if he gets beaten by a rider of a 'lower class' I'd be entitled to tell the same about you. I won't do that, though.


Lol, c'mon, standart friendly pin. :) check it out in the Tour if you like


And again, your answer is a big confirmation. If he get caught, beaten or whatever by a so called lower class rider is not a parameter of anything to AC´s class, the fact is most pro riders that have ever ridden with AC, included every single DS and team owner that ever worked with him says all the same....guess what? He´s a phenomenon, a class of his own, also during training. So his class has nothing to do with the result today, which was your argument in the first place.
It´s a fact you have very difficult living with, and it´s written all over the forum.

He´s preparing for the tour, 3 weeks away, he´s TT performances the last 2 years have been ups and downs, but in case he performs mediocre compared to past results today, you immediately conclude he can´t win the tour.
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05 Jun 2013 10:36

Nicki is surely in great form, he´s 1 of the 9 no doubt.
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05 Jun 2013 12:13

Contador's form is a joke. . . .
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05 Jun 2013 12:18

The Rocks opinion on Contador's game(form):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfITIncaE1w
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05 Jun 2013 12:32

Cimber wrote:Chicken and the egg discussion. But funny that hé does it regardless of who the teammate happens to be. Personally, I just think that way of flickering just comes natural to him by insticnt


In the days of Astana (2009) and Discovery, he was rarely isolated and that is a testament to the strength of the team and the organization and planning of the ds/manager. Saxo/Tinkoff hasn't shown to be as strong or drilled as those teams. They are improving but with so many new riders in important positions they appear to be working out the kinks. If the domestiques don't have the legs at a crucial moment to marshall their leader to a safe position in the peloton or even continually to battle to hold their position then the leader has to move up there on their own.
"It's a little bit scarey when Contador attacks." Tommie Voeckler
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05 Jun 2013 12:39

will he get top 10 in the tour?
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05 Jun 2013 12:43

airstream wrote:check it out today


Don't hate him because he's beautiful (on a bike). ;)
"It's a little bit scarey when Contador attacks." Tommie Voeckler
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05 Jun 2013 12:45

the sceptic wrote:will he get top 10 in the tour?


A fair question at this point. There's still time, but not much, to improve his form. He wants to peak by the 3rd week of the Tour, so that's still 6 weeks away.
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05 Jun 2013 12:47

top 10 is sure thing, unless he starts climbing with gruppeto
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05 Jun 2013 12:57

sulgpallur wrote:top 10 is sure thing, unless he starts climbing with gruppeto


i don't believe so. it's either he won't win but got podium place or win it. No way, he is only in top 10. He is going to be minimal in top 3.
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05 Jun 2013 12:57

Angliru wrote:In the days of Astana (2009) and Discovery, he was rarely isolated and that is a testament to the strength of the team and the organization and planning of the ds/manager. Saxo/Tinkoff hasn't shown to be as strong or drilled as those teams. They are improving but with so many new riders in important positions they appear to be working out the kinks. If the domestiques don't have the legs at a crucial moment to marshall their leader to a safe position in the peloton or even continually to battle to hold their position then the leader has to move up there on their own.


Even back then he was flickering around a lot on the flatter stages esp. He has never felt comfortable simeply following a team made unless his team is on the front of the peloton powering though (which Astana and Discovery did a lot)
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05 Jun 2013 12:58

Cimber wrote:Even back then he was flickering around a lot on the flatter stages esp. He has never felt comfortable simeply following a team made unless his team is on the front of the peloton powering though (which Astana and Discovery did a lot)


isn't that normal?
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05 Jun 2013 12:59

LaFlorecita wrote:What makes you think he doesn't rely on his teammates? He does. But when his teammates cannot cope and are getting him into trouble, he takes care of himself. And I like it that way. I much prefer to see him alone in a safe place than on the ground with several teammates around him.


The point is 'communication.. communication.. communication..' His DS said that too. that's all :)
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