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10 Jun 2013 12:14

Contadoraus Schlecks wrote:Froome could have powered past di marchi yesterday and put half a minute into him, had it mattered. Don't think he was out of the saddle at any point.

We have not seen him really tackling a mountain at full fitness since vuelta 2011. I think we will see a Verbier
2009 performance from him
at some point during the tour.


Then Contador will do a alpe d'huez 2001 performance :D
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Change the thread Tittle please

10 Jun 2013 12:18

Because there really aren't enough threads already for Laurel and Hardy to flame about their favourite pin up Chris Froome.
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10 Jun 2013 12:26

del1962 wrote:From how I understand it Froome wanted to deliver the stage victory to Porte

then why did you argue yesterday that froome was going at his limit?
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10 Jun 2013 12:39

The Hitch wrote:then why did you argue yesterday that froome was going at his limit?


I never argued that.
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10 Jun 2013 13:39

froome did show on the tele that he was at his limit yesterday. Everyone is talking about Froome 100%. Maybe the look of last year 2012 TDF, would be his base of 100%? He was strong at the TT and always like walking in the park in the mountain. IMHO, i think Froome might already be 85% or even 95%. But some one will say how do I know.. LOL. Of course I don't. None of us know. It's all speculation :p

Contador said today he'll be equal rival with froome come tdf. We can't really see how his TT actual form. In the mountain, he wasn't like he was dropped either. Unfortunately, Rodgers wasn't strong enough to hang with the group. What's the point of winning the stage when you got teammate with better placing for WT point? just to show Froome he can pass him in one week race with his 75% form? if comes TDF he can't beat Froome, what's the point?.

For him, winning a stage at Dauphine was irrelevant in the grand schema of winning TDF. He has won more than one GT, he doesn't need confidence boost. He is mentally strong and focus. TDF top step is what matters for him. And we all know, when contador sets a goal, no one can persuade him otherwise. I would reserve my view on contador until the fat french lady sing end of july.

LET THE BATTLE BEGIN. AND MAY THE BEST MAN WIN! :)
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10 Jun 2013 13:47

Jelantik wrote:IMHO, i think Froome might already be 85%]
They are not able to elevate these numbers more or less precisely, not to mention about us.

For him, winning a stage at Dauphine was irrelevant in the grand schema of winning TDF. He has won more than one GT, he doesn't need confidence boost.

I wouldt be so categorical. The fact of stage win is irrelevant, true I agree. However, Contador didn't mind dropping Froome once for confidence. There's no doubt. Or you really think it didn't desturb him after he was harsly flipped by Froome on the Green Mountain and Tivo?

In my view Contador realized he would lose Froome significatly in TT and made a bet on mountain stages. Dropping Froome was one of the goals. Otherwise what goals did Contador have while riding the Dauphine then? Just to ride with Froome in one group and gain 1000 racing kms? It's not quite logical.
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10 Jun 2013 14:23

These threads are so much cleaner with airstream on the ignore list. :)

I don't know if we've seen Froome at 100% or anywhere close to it this year. He still has that extra gear.
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10 Jun 2013 14:25

@airstream

He is applying 'the formula'. He keeps feeding Froome pieces, only to smash him in the end :cool:
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10 Jun 2013 14:28

Netserk wrote:@airstream

He is applying 'the formula'. He keeps feeding Froome pieces, only to smash him in the end :cool:


Evans was trying the same on Wiggins last year. Didn't work out so well. ;)
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10 Jun 2013 14:30

Pentacycle wrote:Evans was trying the same on Wiggins last year. Didn't work out so well. ;)

No he didn't. Do you know 'the formula'?
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10 Jun 2013 14:37

Netserk wrote:No he didn't. Do you know 'the formula'?


'The formula' as in THE formula? You're making me very curious, I get the idea I missed something.
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10 Jun 2013 14:43

Jelantik wrote:froome did show on the tele that he was at his limit yesterday. Everyone is talking about Froome 100%. Maybe the look of last year 2012 TDF, would be his base of 100%? He was strong at the TT and always like walking in the park in the mountain. IMHO, i think Froome might already be 85% or even 95%. But some one will say how do I know.. LOL. Of course I don't. None of us know. It's all speculation :p

Contador said today he'll be equal rival with froome come tdf. We can't really see how his TT actual form. In the mountain, he wasn't like he was dropped either. Unfortunately, Rodgers wasn't strong enough to hang with the group. What's the point of winning the stage when you got teammate with better placing for WT point? just to show Froome he can pass him in one week race with his 75% form? if comes TDF he can't beat Froome, what's the point?.

For him, winning a stage at Dauphine was irrelevant in the grand schema of winning TDF. He has won more than one GT, he doesn't need confidence boost. He is mentally strong and focus. TDF top step is what matters for him. And we all know, when contador sets a goal, no one can persuade him otherwise. I would reserve my view on contador until the fat french lady sing end of july.

LET THE BATTLE BEGIN. AND MAY THE BEST MAN WIN! :)


Those percentages are gross under estimations as usual. Part of the ridiculous mental warfare that takes place prior to the Tour every year.

What percentage would they say they were at in Tirreno, 60? And yet they were both over 6 watts/kilo for 38 minutes. If there were any truth to these guys' form percentage estimates they would have to brake at the top of the cols to keep from flying off once the reached 100%.
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10 Jun 2013 16:54

I didn't see the tour de suisse live today. (can't figure out what time it actually started with different time zone). But looks like Kreuziger in a top shape. His cheek shows he is thin. Good news for Saxo. All he needs is to beat Porte to create complicated situation for sky. :D:D July can't come that faster huh?
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10 Jun 2013 21:56

airstream wrote:Sky say one thing and think other one. That's very good for such big games. Yes, Sky season is ok so far. They think they reduce Contador factor with good reason.


If you have at least 1 drop of conscience in your head, you will never come to the forum in case Contador will lose the Tour. Given how many times you offended me personally.


Never.... if you expect us to take the trolling BS you roll out and not bite back then you are sadly mistaken. At every opportunity you slam one of the best riders of them all yet expect us to keep quiet. If you really want me to offend you then just say the word!!
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10 Jun 2013 23:07

airstream wrote:They are not able to elevate these numbers more or less precisely, not to mention about us.


I wouldt be so categorical. The fact of stage win is irrelevant, true I agree. However, Contador didn't mind dropping Froome once for confidence. There's no doubt. Or you really think it didn't desturb him after he was harsly flipped by Froome on the Green Mountain and Tivo?

In my view Contador realized he would lose Froome significatly in TT and made a bet on mountain stages. Dropping Froome was one of the goals. Otherwise what goals did Contador have while riding the Dauphine then? Just to ride with Froome in one group and gain 1000 racing kms? It's not quite logical.


hmm.. you did have a good point there.
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11 Jun 2013 03:32

Siriuscat wrote:Never.... if you expect us to take the trolling BS you roll out and not bite back then you are sadly mistaken. At every opportunity you slam one of the best riders of them all yet expect us to keep quiet. If you really want me to offend you then just say the word!!


Omg, a great moralist Sirius Cat, who bashes Armstrong, Schleck and Froome at the same time, is going to teach me what I should and shouldn't do. No thanks. I don't need it.
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11 Jun 2013 04:35

Jelantik wrote:I didn't see the tour de suisse live today. (can't figure out what time it actually started with different time zone). But looks like Kreuziger in a top shape. His cheek shows he is thin. Good news for Saxo. All he needs is to beat Porte to create complicated situation for sky. :D:D July can't come that faster huh?


Kreuziger often looks good in these races but not so good in grand tours. But I was glad he had a good win at Amstel and he is looking better this year. Contador will need Rogers as well and apart from one bad day at the Dauphine he looked pretty good. It's simple for Contador, his team is not as good as Froome's and even if his team ride a good tactical race and offer good support, at some stage he has to dominate Froome unless Froome does what Rogers did at the Dauphine which seems unlikely. The variables often end up playing a more significant role : crashes, illness, mechanicals even though I prefer to see races won without luck, over three weeks it is always a factor, good or bad. Armstrong did not have a fall in seven Tours and in his last one he had three or four. Wiggins last year pretty much had a flawless race. Plenty of TT and no problems on the road except when Froome started climbing too fast !
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11 Jun 2013 04:43

airstream wrote:Omg, a great moralist Sirius Cat, who bashes Armstrong, Schleck and Froome at the same time, is going to teach me what I should and shouldn't do. No thanks. I don't need it.


Moralist...me??? i think not! what am I going to teach you?? you're beyond help based on some of the stuff you come up with ( that may be a little offensive but the only conclusion evidence points to!!) You lambast Contador at every opportunity no matter what he does and you expect everyone to bow down to your allegedly superior knowledge...NOT!!!

I don't "bash" unless it's deserved; Armstrong well tell me he doesn't deserve our wrath, Andy Schleck will get pelters until such times as he uses that god given talent to show us what he's really made of, Froome another sudden talent, time will tell with Froome!

I'll say what I've always said to you, come up with sensible cognitive discussion people will engage, keep trolling the BS nothing will change
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11 Jun 2013 05:11

Siriuscat wrote:I'll say what I've always said to you, come up with sensible cognitive discussion people will engage, keep trolling the BS nothing will change


My discussion is more than sensible and cognitive. I think we'll be able to communicate on the forum without mutual touches.
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11 Jun 2013 05:26

Siriuscat wrote:Moralist...me??? i think not! what am I going to teach you?? you're beyond help based on some of the stuff you come up with ( that may be a little offensive but the only conclusion evidence points to!!) You lambast Contador at every opportunity no matter what he does and you expect everyone to bow down to your allegedly superior knowledge...NOT!!!

I don't "bash" unless it's deserved; Armstrong well tell me he doesn't deserve our wrath, Andy Schleck will get pelters until such times as he uses that god given talent to show us what he's really made of, Froome another sudden talent, time will tell with Froome!

I'll say what I've always said to you, come up with sensible cognitive discussion people will engage, keep trolling the BS nothing will change


Yes! Well said Siriuscat! Great post.
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