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11 Jun 2013 15:53

airstream wrote:Lol, yeah with AGR, Majka's Giro and Rogers' California.

Without Contador's points they are ranked 23rd on CQranking.
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11 Jun 2013 15:56

Cyivel wrote:How many points did Rogers score for California :confused:


None, I think. Do 2.HC races count?
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11 Jun 2013 15:58

LaFlorecita wrote:None, I think. Do 2.HC races count?

Every race count. It's not about UCI points, but value points.

http://inrng.com/medias/docs/UCI2014TeamSportingValue.pdf
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11 Jun 2013 15:59

Netserk wrote:Every race count. It's not about UCI points, but value points.


I thought it was always only WT races

Edit: you're right

still, saxo is probably somewhere around place 16

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/03/news/the-ucis-complicated-sporting-value-points-system-goes-public_279603
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11 Jun 2013 16:45

omg looking for a 2010 tour avatar :D

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11 Jun 2013 16:55

Netserk wrote:Every race count. It's not about UCI points, but value points.

http://inrng.com/medias/docs/UCI2014TeamSportingValue.pdf


Thanks.

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11 Jun 2013 16:59

Netserk wrote:Without Contador's points they are ranked 23rd on CQranking.


For 2013 results (not counting the points from previous year), they are 20th unless I make a mistake
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11 Jun 2013 17:02

burning wrote:For 2013 results (not counting the points from previous year), they are 20th unless I make a mistake


last year they were 19th so it isn't looking good :o
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11 Jun 2013 17:04

LaFlorecita wrote:last year they were 19th so it isn't looking good :o


Well Vacan will probably disband, Europcar does not want to be WT and I dont think that IAM will get the license unless they get Cancellara, so Saxo is pretty safe imo
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11 Jun 2013 17:08

burning wrote:For 2013 results (not counting the points from previous year), they are 20th unless I make a mistake

You're right. I mixed two numbers :o
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11 Jun 2013 17:11

airstream wrote:Lol, yeah with AGR, Majka's Giro and Rogers' California.


Nothing for California and..

WT Points, which is what matters:

11 11 CANNONDALE PRO CYCLING (CAN) ITA 368
12 12 BLANCO PRO CYCLING TEAM (BLA) NED 346
13 13 TEAM SAXO-TINKOFF (TST) DEN 318
14 14 ORICA GREENEDGE (OGE) AUS 212


CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto ESP19821206 TEAM SAXO-TINKOFF (TST) 132


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13 14 ORICA GREENEDGE (OGE) AUS 212
14 TEAM SAXO-TINKOFF (TST) DEN 186
15 16 EUSKALTEL EUSKADI (EUS) ESP 162
16 16 LOTTO BELISOL (LTB) BEL 148
17 17 FDJ (FDJ) FRA 121
18 18 VACANSOLEIL-DCM PRO CYCLING TEAM (VCD) NED 107


Considering one team (currently Argos) is already going out for certain and that the bottom three may very well be in for some cause for concern I don't think it would be anywhere near too prudent.

Especially considering they were 19th/18th at the end of 2012 and as the two years are added that indicates a pretty low score considering their current positions unless they press it. They could be in serious trouble in fact.
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11 Jun 2013 17:12

IIRC, UCI takes last 2 years results for getting the value points, one should calculate the riders points from 2012. (CQ points are misleading because the points do not reflect the transfers)
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11 Jun 2013 17:21

Please Froome19 read the rules. .HC races also count.

EDIT: Last year Kump scored a total of 0 UCI points. 'Lots' of value points though...
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11 Jun 2013 19:33

LaFlorecita wrote:omg looking for a 2010 tour avatar :D

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Look at the first picture,look at it,wow,that is pure unadulterated lust,no other description for it,Bertie looks like he's just being polite,Cam is heating up with unbridled passion for El Pistolero.:eek:

Literally El Pistolero....
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11 Jun 2013 19:52

Netserk wrote:Please Froome19 read the rules. .HC races also count.

EDIT: Last year Kump scored a total of 0 UCI points. 'Lots' of value points though...


Pretty sure at .HC level you need to win the race or stages to directly add to your sporting value ranking. I believe coming second at California will have given Rogers some points on the American Tour ranking list. If you finish in the top 5 on that list then you get 20 points added to your sporting value ranking, just like Rory Sutherland did in 2012. The best thing about Rogers for Saxo is that he has 99 points from 2012 that weren't counted for the 2013 license evaluation because he signed too late in the year. Those points will however count towards Saxo's total for the 2014 license.

The system is explained briefly here: http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/photos/exclusive-uci-proteam-ranking-system-revealed/170836

Winning an .HC race overall gives you 8 points and winning a stage 3 points. There are also points available for 2.1 and 2.2 class races, albeit a smaller amount.

''Nicosix'', who has posted on here in the past, has a very good website that explains how many points each team had for the 2013 sporting value ranking (based on 2011 and 2012 results) and it also shows how the different ranking lists contribute to the total: http://nicosix.wordpress.com/category/cyclisme/classements-2012/classement-pour-2013/
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11 Jun 2013 19:54

I know how it works. I linked to the rules not many posts ago ;)
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11 Jun 2013 20:03

Netserk wrote:I know how it works. I linked to the rules not many posts ago ;)


I thought you did, I was just explaining that coming second at California doesn't necessarily add any points to your sporting value ranking. Although in reality it probably does mean that he's guaranteed a top 20 place on the list at the very least. I wouldn't be surprised to see him lead Saxo at the US Pro Cycling challenge with the aim of firstly trying to win the race and just as importantly trying to solidify a top 5 place on the American Tour ranking list with as high a place in GC as possible.
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11 Jun 2013 20:14

airstream wrote:I don't know in which form is he's in but imo he's weaker physically now. Regardless, form and experience won't save him.


No. What arguments should I take? That from-zero-to-hero riders are able to beat Contador? LOL. Sorry, I follow for not 1 year and not 5 too so please to talk to me as if I'm an idiot. Thanks.

Undoubtedly he hoped for it, otherwise he couldn't have attacked at Valmorel.


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11 Jun 2013 20:21

Some thoughts from RichieBorg:

Porte worries only about helping Froome win the overall in Paris, saying if something happened to Froome he could deal with the pressure.

"I know he's the leader," Porte explained. "I know him well enough in training and all of that, to see that he's stronger. The goal is to win the Tour and for me to support him. I have good enough form and the ability to help him deal Alberto and those guys."

He hopes, as in the Dauphiné and as Froome did with Wiggins last year, that he can stand on the final podium. Riding around Annecy today, previewing the final time trial, he thinks about the Paris finish and his future as a Grand Tour racer.

"God yes, it's a dream to stand on the podium. That's every bike rider's dream to be up there on the Champs-Élysées," Porte said.

"The Tour is just harder because it's longer. The Dauphiné wasn't an easy race and we were one-two. That's the goal. The other guys say they are chasing form, but I don't see how they can recover from two and a half minutes or whatever they're down in a dead flat 30K time trial. That's a lot of time to pull back in three weeks."

Porte wants to target the Giro d'Italia's overall classification next year. Now, he is training and concentrating on Froome's Tour win.

"We are not at the top of our game just yet," he said. "I'd be a little worried if I was Contador or Rodríguez. As quiet as they are, I think they're a little bit stressed."


http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/538829/richie-porte-gets-ready-to-support-chris-froome-in-tour-de-france-title-bid.html
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11 Jun 2013 20:30

Lots of confidence in the air. It's pity Porte wasn't so devoted to the leader and such a great rider during his time at Saxo.
I can only hope Contador, Rodriguez et al destroy them in July. Not looking very likely but that's all I can hope for.
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