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09 Jun 2012 20:24

WELL?

Does anyone apart from me think there's been something fishy about this team for a while now? Today's performance in Dauphiné reminded me of the bygone days of Lance's teammates at the Tour, when all of them (except he, of course) were doped to the gills ....

No offence intended.
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Pat agrees.

09 Jun 2012 20:44

Pat McQuaid agrees with you in this interview.
“In the big mountain stages, you never see the (team) leader surrounded by three or four domestiques. He usually finishes the climb on his own. That wasn’t the case during the big period of EPO,” said McQuaid.


Oh dear :D

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/06/news/mcquaid-the-bio-passport-is-changing-the-sports-culture_222978
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09 Jun 2012 20:49

mercianman wrote:Pat McQuaid agrees with you in this interview.

Oh dear :D

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/06/news/mcquaid-the-bio-passport-is-changing-the-sports-culture_222978


If only journalists had the balls to point these things out. What would cycling be?
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09 Jun 2012 21:01

op is right, only contador is allowed to ride uphill that fast clean, anyone else must have swallowed/injected a whole pharmacy to do so
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09 Jun 2012 21:07

roundabout wrote:op is right, only contador is allowed to ride uphill that fast clean, anyone else must have swallowed/injected a whole pharmacy to do so


What's Contador got to do with this? He's currently suspended, in case you didn't know. We're talking SKY and Wiggo, Froome and the whole bunch here.
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09 Jun 2012 21:21

Wiggins compared his team to Banesto and USPS in the post race interview, does no one else think that that is a bit odd?
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09 Jun 2012 21:22

Sky, they finally figured out how to "prepare":D
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09 Jun 2012 21:26

roundabout wrote:op is right, only contador is allowed to ride uphill that fast clean, anyone else must have swallowed/injected a whole pharmacy to do so


Uh, what? This isn't even about Contador. How many Saxo guys do you see finishing the climbs with Contador anyway?

Maybe Froome, Porte, and Rogers also have swimming coaches.
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09 Jun 2012 21:34

Team Sky is just physiologically better than the rest of the guys out there.
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09 Jun 2012 21:48

Moose McKnuckles wrote:Uh, what? This isn't even about Contador. How many Saxo guys do you see finishing the climbs with Contador anyway?

Maybe Froome, Porte, and Rogers also have swimming coaches.


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09 Jun 2012 22:01

mercianman wrote:Wiggins compared his team to Banesto and USPS in the post race interview, does no one else think that that is a bit odd?


I do not find it odd one bit.

It is a win win comment by Wiggins. Comparing SKY to 2 of THE Legendary Tour Teams of all time serves two purposes. Not only is Wiggins complimenting his own mates who will be supporting him, Brad also gets to be entertained by all the exploding heads in The Clinic etc.

JV said he enjoyed wadding peoples panties with his courting of Alberto, and Wiggins is one upping JV in the panty wad competition. The bar is raised.

Livestrong bracelets next I hope. Great cause.
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09 Jun 2012 22:25

Polish wrote:I do not find it odd one bit.

It is a win win comment by Wiggins. Comparing SKY to 2 of THE Legendary Tour Teams of all time serves two purposes. Not only is Wiggins complimenting his own mates who will be supporting him, Brad also gets to be entertained by all the exploding heads in The Clinic etc.

JV said he enjoyed wadding peoples panties with his courting of Alberto, and Wiggins is one upping JV in the panty wad competition. The bar is raised.

Livestrong bracelets next I hope. Great cause.


If Wiggins and Sky started wearing Livestrong bracelets to ride I would probably like them more, for having a sense of humour about it. It would be awesome. Then Chris Froome could mock Andy by suggesting that he needs to take fewer race days seriously, and Cav could accuse Schleck of taking too many pushes from the team car in some minor race where he finishes in the autobus.
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09 Jun 2012 22:26

I dont think its really that much of a surprise. As has already been pointed out in other threads, this is only the Dauphine and its quite clear many of the favourites either dont have the from yet or are taking it easy. If this type of domination continues for three weeks of the tour, then ok, raises some suspicions.

As for Wiggo having three teammates with him up the climb, Sky has loads of money and went out and signed quality riders who can set hard tempo on the climbs to suit Wiggo's style. Rogers, Porte and Froome aren't some chumps who cant climb, they've shown this type of ability before. Sky have had this group of riders racing and training together all year so its no surprise they are all coming into form at the same time ready for the July.

Yeah its made this race kind of dull, but now everyone knows they have to attack to try and break the UK postal train up otherwise Wiggo will crush all in the TT's and win the Tour without breaking a sweat! :)
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09 Jun 2012 22:36

The Cobra wrote:I dont think its really that much of a surprise. As has already been pointed out in other threads, this is only the Dauphine and its quite clear many of the favourites either dont have the from yet or are taking it easy. If this type of domination continues for three weeks of the tour, then ok, raises some suspicions.

As for Wiggo having three teammates with him up the climb, Sky has loads of money and went out and signed quality riders who can set hard tempo on the climbs to suit Wiggo's style. Rogers, Porte and Froome aren't some chumps who cant climb, they've shown this type of ability before. Sky have had this group of riders racing and training together all year so its no surprise they are all coming into form at the same time ready for the July.

Yeah its made this race kind of dull, but now everyone knows they have to attack to try and break the UK postal train up otherwise Wiggo will crush all in the TT's and win the Tour without breaking a sweat! :)


However, Froome was a guy who had shown nothing in his career except for some OK performances several years ago on a known dodgy team, until the Vuelta. Now, he's a guy who has shown this type of ability before, if only in a very short window when his contract was due, but his signing for Sky was more to do with the flag next to his name than anything else at the time. Porte had a great breakthrough, but a disappointing 2011, so he was a calculated gamble - plenty of upside. Rogers is now a long time removed from any kind of reasonable performance on all but the most TT-biased of parcours. And apart from the 2009 Giro I don't really see any real results worth pointing to from a GT and difficult stage race perspective since the days he rode for a dope-addled T-Mobile team - so to see him back at that level is going to raise some people's suspicions anyhow.

Sky are a very well-organised team who have lucked into some parcours that are very favourable to their leader's strengths this year. And their leader has been incredible this year; Wiggins wasn't even this consistently awesome in the ITTs when he was an ITT specialist and an ITT specialist only.

This race was always going to be dull regardless of the strength of the Sky train, because the amount of TT mileage is so ridiculously long for the amount of relevant climbing, that the TT guys were always going to be able to just ride themselves along however they liked. It's Paris-Nice 2011 level bad. We can't blame Sky for that.
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09 Jun 2012 22:50

sartoris wrote:What's Contador got to do with this? He's currently suspended, in case you didn't know. We're talking SKY and Wiggo, Froome and the whole bunch here.


Just the irony of a Contador defender/believer starting a thread questioning Sky is too delicious to ignore.
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09 Jun 2012 23:34

roundabout wrote:Just the irony of a Contador defender/believer starting a thread questioning Sky is too delicious to ignore.


Being a Contador fan means I can't question SKY's performances? Who is entitled to do so? Unbiased Wiggo fanboys/girls like you?

For most non-British forumites, SKY's performance today was at least a bit suspicious, I daresay.
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09 Jun 2012 23:50

sartoris wrote:WELL?

Does anyone apart from me think there's been something fishy about this team for a while now? Today's performance in Dauphiné reminded me of the bygone days of Lance's teammates at the Tour, when all of them (except he, of course) were doped to the gills ....

No offence intended.


Well ...

As has been noted a fair bit in the Tenerife thread, as well as the TdF predictions and today's Dauphine thread - in a word, yes.

UKPS-Ballan has either benifited from themselves peaking and everyone else not yet on form, or July will be a farce. Le Tour will certainly reveal which case it is.

While the competition is not near July intensity, it is more than a bit disconcerting as to how easy it looked for the whole Sky team. When I see Rogers, Porte and Froome riding tempo and riding people off their wheels, it certainly raises my eyebrows.

I will say that on one hand Wiggo says he is peaking for the Tour, on the other hand he says he has been maintaining 95-97% all year. If the latter is the case, the peak would not 'normally' bevery high (unless enhanced ;)).
JimmyFingers wrote:Look I no way dispute Wiggins ... he is doping, he's at it all the time, and has been for years.
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09 Jun 2012 23:53

To add, if Wiggo and Sky were not so over the top, I might actually be cheering them on. But the team is looking dodgier and dodgier, and Wiggo seems to be able to Sprint, TT, Climb, maintain top form all year, be something like 20-25 lbs below his 'normal' weight and yet never be sick, blah blah blah. If it looks and smells like sh*t, it likely is :o
JimmyFingers wrote:Look I no way dispute Wiggins ... he is doping, he's at it all the time, and has been for years.
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10 Jun 2012 00:01

well in normal cycling when I see something like these performances I am suspicious although being british I always asume people dont dope here so I dont think sky are... although thinking logically the performances are quite suspicious but I can believe it like I believe every rider who wins :S
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10 Jun 2012 00:07

When they start dropping top quality, in form riders I'll have my suspicions. Weening managed to hang in that group, so it was hardly the most elite of groups. If this continues at the Tour, then there probably is something strange going on. But it's unfair to start saying that now
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