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13 Jul 2018 08:18

I agree with the first part of this, as I've already intimated by my previous reply to Tos, however I strongly disagree with your final comment.

I totally understand the connection between what came out of SDBs mouth and the actual realities of the team life. I don't think it is xenophobia at all in general I think it is understandable annoyance at hypocrisy. (although I can think of one Australian poster who's output on this forum is almost 100% on Sky Doping or British administrator threads, many of which he started and I'm beginning to wonder if he'd suffering from the old Aussie chip on the shoulder, which the younger generation have got over thankfully).
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13 Jul 2018 08:37

macbindle wrote:I don't disagree, but at the same time you have to acknowledge that his team has won 7 Grand Tours in 6 years. That takes some doing, and despite his combatitive side with the press the guy clearly has some pretty good organisational skills. It's a bit like Armstrong...drugs had something to do with it but at the same time it wasnt just drugs. You also have to acknowledge that some of the best riders in the world choose to ride for Sky. The pariah nature of The team doesn't exist within the peloton, despite what some here would have you believe.

It's hard for some people to cope with that when they want simple, comfortable binaries of good vs evil.

He is full of sh1t though.


I think he is very similar to Armstrong, and he will be undone in a similar way. Froome I could tolerate if he was just left to keep his mouth shut and do omerta like everyone else, as he is quite an entertaining rider when he is fully on it. But DB has to give it the marginal gains/fluffy pillows BS when it's obvious they are just doing all the same stuff everyone else is doing, but with more money.

I think with the whole 2012 sporting unicorns dream we were asking for it, for legitimate historical reasons people love the Brits as villains, and ruthless winning is not our thing.
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Re: Re:

13 Jul 2018 17:35

Singer01 wrote:
TourOfSardinia wrote:
macbindle wrote:I don't disagree, but at the same time you have to acknowledge that his team has won 7 Grand Tours in 6 years. That takes some doing, and despite his combatitive side with the press the guy clearly has some pretty good organisational skills. It's a bit like Armstrong...drugs had something to do with it but at the same time it wasnt just drugs. You also have to acknowledge that some of the vest riders in the world choose to ride for Sky. The pariah nature of The team doesn't exist within the peloton, despite what some here would have you believe.

It's hard for some people to cope with that when they want simple, comfortable binaries of good vs evil.

He is full of sh1t though.

That's not our province
we deal with the doper/clean binary

That's clearly not true. Otherwise there would be as many topics on the other teams as there are on sky. As I've been told many times by the tin hatters 'everyone is doping'.
Why isn't there a thread on how disgusting it is that Valverde keeps winning races at nearly 40, he shouldn't be racing at all, the cheating doping ****.
Why isn't there a thread on Nibali, he spent years riding for the dirtiest team in the peloton, always seems to get stronger when everyone else is weakening. We've seen how strong his moral code is when he hung on the back of the team car. Keep telling yourselves it's just doping, when you know deep down it's petty jealousy and xenophobia.


I am a proud British citizen who started following cycling in July 2012. I cheered for Bradly Wiggins and team sky with ignorant bliss! As I delved deeper into the history of the sport on YouTube and else where my rational brain quickly deduced that what sky had achieved with Bradly was in fact very fishy. By July 2013 my feelings towards Team Sky had completely changed, since then the giant mountain of sh%t that has emanated from the team has only re inforced my (negative) feelings toward them.

Jealousy and xenophobia have nothing to do with it.
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Re: Re:

13 Jul 2018 18:15

Singer01 wrote:
TourOfSardinia wrote:
macbindle wrote:I don't disagree, but at the same time you have to acknowledge that his team has won 7 Grand Tours in 6 years. That takes some doing, and despite his combatitive side with the press the guy clearly has some pretty good organisational skills. It's a bit like Armstrong...drugs had something to do with it but at the same time it wasnt just drugs. You also have to acknowledge that some of the vest riders in the world choose to ride for Sky. The pariah nature of The team doesn't exist within the peloton, despite what some here would have you believe.

It's hard for some people to cope with that when they want simple, comfortable binaries of good vs evil.

He is full of sh1t though.

That's not our province
we deal with the doper/clean binary

That's clearly not true. Otherwise there would be as many topics on the other teams as there are on sky. As I've been told many times by the tin hatters 'everyone is doping'.
Why isn't there a thread on how disgusting it is that Valverde keeps winning races at nearly 40, he shouldn't be racing at all, the cheating doping ****.
Why isn't there a thread on Nibali, he spent years riding for the dirtiest team in the peloton, always seems to get stronger when everyone else is weakening. We've seen how strong his moral code is when he hung on the back of the team car. Keep telling yourselves it's just doping, when you know deep down it's petty jealousy and xenophobia.


Valverde: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=22200&hilit=Valverde plus other threads.

Nibali: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8517&hilit=Nibali plus other threads.

Maybe do a simple search next time instead of talking rubbish.
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Re: Re:

13 Jul 2018 18:51

Bronstein wrote:
Singer01 wrote:
TourOfSardinia wrote:
macbindle wrote:I don't disagree, but at the same time you have to acknowledge that his team has won 7 Grand Tours in 6 years. That takes some doing, and despite his combatitive side with the press the guy clearly has some pretty good organisational skills. It's a bit like Armstrong...drugs had something to do with it but at the same time it wasnt just drugs. You also have to acknowledge that some of the vest riders in the world choose to ride for Sky. The pariah nature of The team doesn't exist within the peloton, despite what some here would have you believe.

It's hard for some people to cope with that when they want simple, comfortable binaries of good vs evil.

He is full of sh1t though.

That's not our province
we deal with the doper/clean binary

That's clearly not true. Otherwise there would be as many topics on the other teams as there are on sky. As I've been told many times by the tin hatters 'everyone is doping'.
Why isn't there a thread on how disgusting it is that Valverde keeps winning races at nearly 40, he shouldn't be racing at all, the cheating doping ****.
Why isn't there a thread on Nibali, he spent years riding for the dirtiest team in the peloton, always seems to get stronger when everyone else is weakening. We've seen how strong his moral code is when he hung on the back of the team car. Keep telling yourselves it's just doping, when you know deep down it's petty jealousy and xenophobia.


Valverde: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=22200&hilit=Valverde plus other threads.

Nibali: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8517&hilit=Nibali plus other threads.

Maybe do a simple search next time instead of talking rubbish.

Those topics getting a lot of traction lately?
Last edited by Singer01 on 13 Jul 2018 19:16, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Re:

13 Jul 2018 18:52

chuuurles wrote:
Singer01 wrote:
TourOfSardinia wrote:
macbindle wrote:I don't disagree, but at the same time you have to acknowledge that his team has won 7 Grand Tours in 6 years. That takes some doing, and despite his combatitive side with the press the guy clearly has some pretty good organisational skills. It's a bit like Armstrong...drugs had something to do with it but at the same time it wasnt just drugs. You also have to acknowledge that some of the vest riders in the world choose to ride for Sky. The pariah nature of The team doesn't exist within the peloton, despite what some here would have you believe.

It's hard for some people to cope with that when they want simple, comfortable binaries of good vs evil.

He is full of sh1t though.

That's not our province
we deal with the doper/clean binary

That's clearly not true. Otherwise there would be as many topics on the other teams as there are on sky. As I've been told many times by the tin hatters 'everyone is doping'.
Why isn't there a thread on how disgusting it is that Valverde keeps winning races at nearly 40, he shouldn't be racing at all, the cheating doping ****.
Why isn't there a thread on Nibali, he spent years riding for the dirtiest team in the peloton, always seems to get stronger when everyone else is weakening. We've seen how strong his moral code is when he hung on the back of the team car. Keep telling yourselves it's just doping, when you know deep down it's petty jealousy and xenophobia.


I am a proud British citizen who started following cycling in July 2012. I cheered for Bradly Wiggins and team sky with ignorant bliss! As I delved deeper into the history of the sport on YouTube and else where my rational brain quickly deduced that what sky had achieved with Bradly was in fact very fishy. By July 2013 my feelings towards Team Sky had completely changed, since then the giant mountain of sh%t that has emanated from the team has only re inforced my (negative) feelings toward them.

Jealousy and xenophobia have nothing to do with it.

For you you mean, you don't get to speak for all the other nutjobs.
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Re: Re:

13 Jul 2018 21:48

Singer01 wrote:
chuuurles wrote:
Singer01 wrote:
TourOfSardinia wrote:
macbindle wrote:I don't disagree, but at the same time you have to acknowledge that his team has won 7 Grand Tours in 6 years. That takes some doing, and despite his combatitive side with the press the guy clearly has some pretty good organisational skills. It's a bit like Armstrong...drugs had something to do with it but at the same time it wasnt just drugs. You also have to acknowledge that some of the vest riders in the world choose to ride for Sky. The pariah nature of The team doesn't exist within the peloton, despite what some here would have you believe.

It's hard for some people to cope with that when they want simple, comfortable binaries of good vs evil.

He is full of sh1t though.

That's not our province
we deal with the doper/clean binary

That's clearly not true. Otherwise there would be as many topics on the other teams as there are on sky. As I've been told many times by the tin hatters 'everyone is doping'.
Why isn't there a thread on how disgusting it is that Valverde keeps winning races at nearly 40, he shouldn't be racing at all, the cheating doping ****.
Why isn't there a thread on Nibali, he spent years riding for the dirtiest team in the peloton, always seems to get stronger when everyone else is weakening. We've seen how strong his moral code is when he hung on the back of the team car. Keep telling yourselves it's just doping, when you know deep down it's petty jealousy and xenophobia.


I am a proud British citizen who started following cycling in July 2012. I cheered for Bradly Wiggins and team sky with ignorant bliss! As I delved deeper into the history of the sport on YouTube and else where my rational brain quickly deduced that what sky had achieved with Bradly was in fact very fishy. By July 2013 my feelings towards Team Sky had completely changed, since then the giant mountain of sh%t that has emanated from the team has only re inforced my (negative) feelings toward them.

Jealousy and xenophobia have nothing to do with it.

For you you mean, you don't get to speak for all the other nutjobs.


You speak the truth.
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Re: Re:

13 Jul 2018 23:34

Singer01 wrote:
Bronstein wrote:
Singer01 wrote:
TourOfSardinia wrote:
macbindle wrote:I don't disagree, but at the same time you have to acknowledge that his team has won 7 Grand Tours in 6 years. That takes some doing, and despite his combatitive side with the press the guy clearly has some pretty good organisational skills. It's a bit like Armstrong...drugs had something to do with it but at the same time it wasnt just drugs. You also have to acknowledge that some of the vest riders in the world choose to ride for Sky. The pariah nature of The team doesn't exist within the peloton, despite what some here would have you believe.

It's hard for some people to cope with that when they want simple, comfortable binaries of good vs evil.

He is full of sh1t though.

That's not our province
we deal with the doper/clean binary

That's clearly not true. Otherwise there would be as many topics on the other teams as there are on sky. As I've been told many times by the tin hatters 'everyone is doping'.
Why isn't there a thread on how disgusting it is that Valverde keeps winning races at nearly 40, he shouldn't be racing at all, the cheating doping ****.
Why isn't there a thread on Nibali, he spent years riding for the dirtiest team in the peloton, always seems to get stronger when everyone else is weakening. We've seen how strong his moral code is when he hung on the back of the team car. Keep telling yourselves it's just doping, when you know deep down it's petty jealousy and xenophobia.


Valverde: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=22200&hilit=Valverde plus other threads.

Nibali: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8517&hilit=Nibali plus other threads.

Maybe do a simple search next time instead of talking rubbish.

Those topics getting a lot of traction lately?


They would if there was an army of rabbid magic-bullet-theory-concocting fans ready to lap up whatewer the newest nausea inducing lie comes out of their favorites mouth. However, there isn't. Used to be Postal and Lance. Now it's Sky and Dawg. I sure do miss Lance.
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