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Velonews looking into Birotte situation

11 Oct 2012 14:30

Nice to see Velonews doing some extra reporting on the Birotte situation.

The evidence gathered by USADA once again brings Birotte’s closure into question. VeloNews has submitted a Freedom of Information Act request regarding the federal case, though the Justice Department has yet to respond.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/analysis-what-usadas-case-file-means-to-those-involved_256676
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11 Oct 2012 14:37

tofino wrote:Nice to see Velonews doing some extra reporting on the Birotte situation.

The evidence gathered by USADA once again brings Birotte’s closure into question. VeloNews has submitted a Freedom of Information Act request regarding the federal case, though the Justice Department has yet to respond.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/analysis-what-usadas-case-file-means-to-those-involved_256676


good on them. I am very interested myself.
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11 Oct 2012 15:05

I'll believe journalism from Velonews when I see journalism from Velonews.
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11 Oct 2012 15:07

Maxiton wrote:I'll believe journalism from Velonews when I see journalism from Velonews.


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11 Oct 2012 15:14

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11 Oct 2012 15:22

Did someone just swap sides? Was that the moment?
Or will they intensionally fail?

Making money on the yellow side of cycling is going to get that much harder from today on...
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11 Oct 2012 15:24

I'm sure we'll see a lot of the media switching sides and forgetting the things they have said and done in the past, lots of people either blaming others (before my time) or re-writing their histories.
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11 Oct 2012 15:37

This is big. The top legal analyst at ESPN, Lester Munson, was just on TV criticizing US Attorney Andre Birotte for closing the federal investigation of Armstrong and the USPS team.

Just wait. The federal case could potentially be re-opened. If Armstrong or his lobbying group had ANY influence at all on ANY part of the federal investigation process being closed they are in deep, deep, doo doo.
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11 Oct 2012 15:41

Hope Birotte falls soon. Now that Armstrong is history, that devil is the next in line (the No. 2 on my list). Step by step. After that go for McQuaid and Heini.
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11 Oct 2012 15:50

tofino wrote:Nice to see Velonews doing some extra reporting on the Birotte situation.

The evidence gathered by USADA once again brings Birotte’s closure into question. VeloNews has submitted a Freedom of Information Act request regarding the federal case, though the Justice Department has yet to respond.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/analysis-what-usadas-case-file-means-to-those-involved_256676


This will be interesting...not because of Velonews, but because of the many others who will become re-interested in the Birotte decision now that this evidence is in the public domain. I doubt he buried this entirely on his own....surely there were some pressures from above. In that sense he gets a perfect excuse to re-open if the decision to close was not his at all....he can use the public pressure as a justification to re-open. This should be really good, in fact they are probably wondering what the hell to do right now since before it spirals......
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11 Oct 2012 15:54

Big Daddy wrote:This is big. The top legal analyst at ESPN, Lester Munson, was just on TV criticizing US Attorney Andre Birotte for closing the federal investigation of Armstrong and the USPS team.

Just wait. The federal case could potentially be re-opened. If Armstrong or his lobbying group had ANY influence at all on ANY part of the federal investigation process being closed they are in deep, deep, doo doo.


In what light to see the pro-choice $100k donation? So plain and obvious, like a finger stuck up by Lance to all following the case. F*** you, this is how cheaply I fix blips on my radar.
Doing it out in the open as not to be accused of secrecy or ulterior motives other than filantropy?

US voters need to NOW make their Stance Against Lance clear. Don't let Romney and Obama have mixed idea about this. Romney is talking already, but that says nothing. Tomorrow at a LieStrong clinic or a Texas appearance the story can be different.
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11 Oct 2012 15:54

FoxxyBrown1111 wrote:Hope Birotte falls soon. Now that Armstrong is history, that devil is the next in line (the No. 2 on my list). Step by step. After that go for McQuaid and Heini.


If he fails hopefully he reveals who, what and why led him to close the case and does it before the election just in case that person's term is up.
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11 Oct 2012 15:54

Mrs John Murphy wrote:I'm sure we'll see a lot of the media switching sides and forgetting the things they have said and done in the past, lots of people either blaming others (before my time) or re-writing their histories.


While I certainly looked twice at the thread title and said "Velonews??" - what are they (and the rest of the media) supposed to do?

Sure, certain publications were cheerleaders and had a role in the lies and myth making - so, I do hope they 'switch sides' and rewrite their history.

Back on point - does anyone know how successful a FOI request in California will be and if successful what details would be released?
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11 Oct 2012 15:58

Cloxxki wrote:
US voters need to NOW make their Stance Against Lance clear. Don't let Romney and Obama have mixed idea about this. Romney is talking already, but that says nothing. Tomorrow at a LieStrong clinic or a Texas appearance the story can be different.


Romney and Obama are not going to cover this on the eve of an election. Way too unpredictable/risky. they will simply deflect, "sad to see", "can't comment as investigation within the sports organizations is still ongoing", etc.
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11 Oct 2012 16:01

What are the realistic chances of the investigation being reopened? Bet there is 10 times more info in that investigation than in the USADA investigation
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11 Oct 2012 16:04

Dr. Maserati wrote:While I certainly looked twice at the thread title and said "Velonews??" - what are they (and the rest of the media) supposed to do?

Sure, certain publications were cheerleaders and had a role in the lies and myth making - so, I do hope they 'switch sides' and rewrite their history.

Back on point - does anyone know how successful a FOI request in California will be and if successful what details would be released?


Switching sides is fine but it needs a mea culpa and it needs an acknowledgement of having ****ed up for the last 13 years.

Fellow travellers can **** off.
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11 Oct 2012 16:09

Tinman wrote:Romney and Obama are not going to cover this on the eve of an election. Way too unpredictable/risky. they will simply deflect, "sad to see", "can't comment as investigation within the sports organizations is still ongoing", etc.


I read somewhere a support by Romney a support of USADA. Makes sense in a way, governmental orgs are doing great work. Good people, great country.
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11 Oct 2012 16:14

Mrs John Murphy wrote:Switching sides is fine but it needs a mea culpa and it needs an acknowledgement of having ****ed up for the last 13 years.

Fellow travellers can **** off.


I have no idea what that means.
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11 Oct 2012 16:18

A fellow traveller is someone who claims to part of a movement but whose commitment is weak, temporary and opportunistic. Someone who joins a movement not because they believe in it but because they believe it to be advantageous to themselves.
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11 Oct 2012 16:20

Velonews? Really?

Either it's a smokescreen and nothing will happen, or it could get legs if picked up elsewhere (like, ESPN, WSJ, SI, etc). Not that Birotte will act.

Not to sound too political but Obama's justice dept is the worst in my lifetime. Eric Holder has done almost nothing and been completely impotent, worse than John Mitchell, worse than Alberto Gonzalez. So to expect anything from Birotte is like hoping to smell flowers in a diarrhea filled toilet.
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