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Who will win the 2013 Tour

Poll ended at 25 Oct 2012 12:09

Alberto Contador
61
62%
Cristopher Froome
25
25%
Andy Schleck
6
6%
Vincenzo Nibali
2
2%
Cadel Evans / Teehay Van Garderen
2
2%
Ryder Hesjedal
1
1%
Alejandro Valverde / Juan Jose Cobo
1
1%
Other (specify)
1
1%
 
Total votes : 99

11 Nov 2012 01:20

Froome can't climb with Schleck or Contador if they are in top condition. There's those two then there's the rest. Froome will be battling for a distant third.
"... because he set an amazing example. He has more courage than anyone I ever rode with and that's why he got respect from his team-mates. A great leader makes you want to go beyond the limits."

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11 Nov 2012 01:33

But Evans could?

(With Schleck)

Froome is certainly not worse than Evans 2011.
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11 Nov 2012 02:08

I do not think Schleck was in top form in last years Tour. But yeah, I'd take 2011 Evans over Froome for sure.
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11 Nov 2012 05:41

I am more interested in the question -- What position overall will Bradley Wiggins finish in? Top 20? Top 30?
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11 Nov 2012 07:52

'Froome can't can't match Schleck and Contador' and 'Froome is a diesel' are completely spinned out of the air. Apparently people like to live by the 2009 rankings, they don't consider the 2012 Tour a competition whatsoever or something. :confused:
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11 Nov 2012 08:24

airstream wrote:'Froome can't can't match Schleck and Contador' and 'Froome is a diesel' are completely spinned out of the air. Apparently people like to live by the 2009 rankings, they don't consider the 2012 Tour a competition whatsoever or something. :confused:


There werent real climbers;)
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Ryo Hazuki in August 2013 wrote:what? quintana is already better climber than froome. see final stages of the tour and he's only 23. quintana is the best climber I've sene since pantani. he will become a legend
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11 Nov 2012 08:45

I don't think Purito will do the 2013 Tour either.
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11 Nov 2012 08:49

Lol airstream Froome was not around in 2009
"The second place is not good."
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11 Nov 2012 09:11

Altitude wrote:I do not think Schleck was in top form in last years Tour. But yeah, I'd take 2011 Evans over Froome for sure.


2007 i would as well.
I think Shleck was, he was just too cautious/ too tactical until Galibier. Alpe D Huez he rode badly as well, since he was tired from being with Contador.
I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong

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11 Nov 2012 09:24

ILovecycling wrote: There werent real climbers;)


What do 'real climbers' imply? But there was a grandiose team mountain work probably the most impressive one since CSC in the 2008 Tour. Froome is not a real climber? Are you kidding? While on form the guy is able to burn out any uphill. He's got an excellent explosive power. He is better than say Andy in this regard, however he is allegedly a real climber. :confused:
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11 Nov 2012 10:53

airstream wrote:What do 'real climbers' imply? But there was a grandiose team mountain work probably the most impressive one since CSC in the 2008 Tour. Froome is not a real climber? Are you kidding? While on form the guy is able to burn out any uphill. He's got an excellent explosive power. He is better than say Andy in this regard, however he is allegedly a real climber. :confused:


Contador couldn't drop Andy from 2010 on. Andy matched his accelerations immediately, except from Mende, where Andy was on a bad day.

No way, Froome accelerates harder than Andy.
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11 Nov 2012 10:56

Marco Pantani wrote:Contador couldn't drop Andy from 2010 on. Andy matched his accelerations immediately, except from Mende, where Andy was on a bad day.

No way, Froome accelerates harder than Andy.


In 2013 we will see the real Alberto, Andy and Froomedog will cry cos they get their *** beaten so badly.

By the way what about Alpe dHuez 2011? Or stage 16 (?)
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11 Nov 2012 10:59

You can answer yourself, I think.
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11 Nov 2012 10:59

airstream wrote:What do 'real climbers' imply? But there was a grandiose team mountain work probably the most impressive one since CSC in the 2008 Tour. Froome is not a real climber? Are you kidding? While on form the guy is able to burn out any uphill. He's got an excellent explosive power. He is better than say Andy in this regard, however he is allegedly a real climber. :confused:


How do you even know this when he never faced the riders that are considered top climbers? Sure, he climbs better than JVDB, Nibali and Wiggins on relatively easy MTF's. But hey, outclimbing JVDB, Nibali and Wiggins is a walk in the park for Contador and in-shape Schleck.

That' why this TDF will be so exciting; for the fist tim we'll actually get to see how Froome does against the best climbers. Finally, after almost two years we'll get to see what Froome is really worth. Is he going to keep up with the big climbers on a real climb, like say, Ventoux. This is the question we're all asking, and we don't have an answer, we jus have our own speculations, up untill we see it happen in June. :)
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11 Nov 2012 11:02

Marco Pantani wrote:You can answer yourself, I think.


No I can't :confused:
"The second place is not good."
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11 Nov 2012 11:11

Marco Pantani wrote:Contador couldn't drop Andy from 2010 on. Andy matched his accelerations immediately, except from Mende, where Andy was on a bad day.

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11 Nov 2012 11:18

airstream wrote:What do 'real climbers' imply? But there was a grandiose team mountain work probably the most impressive one since CSC in the 2008 Tour. Froome is not a real climber? Are you kidding? While on form the guy is able to burn out any uphill. He's got an excellent explosive power. He is better than say Andy in this regard, however he is allegedly a real climber. :confused:


IMO Froome is not a 'real climber',but it is only speculation.I dont know,you dont know if he is or isnt,we all hope that will see next year.
Real climber for me is a guy who can accelerate multiple times in mountain stage and puts down destroying attacks against the best climbers (Schleck,Contador) and hurt them with his attacks :)

to 1.bolded:
He is not able to do this against explosive riders like Purito,Alberto or Andy.

to 2.bolded
He is not more explosive than Andy,you will see on Vetoux(where will Andy attack IMO);)
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Ryo Hazuki in August 2013 wrote:what? quintana is already better climber than froome. see final stages of the tour and he's only 23. quintana is the best climber I've sene since pantani. he will become a legend
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11 Nov 2012 11:18

LaFlorecita wrote:No I can't :confused:


Ok I' ll clear up.

Ascent to Alpe, Contador was no threat anymore, different to the early attack. Andy cared about Evans only.

Stage 16....was Contador dropped by Evans' accelerations on Galibier? No, he just suffered that day.

In the same way Andy wasn't outpaced that day, in my opinion. Also, he didn't knew tactically, what to do. Waiting for Fränk, working together afterwards? Sure, Andy suffered from the weather.

I'll go out now, please be patient for further answers.
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11 Nov 2012 11:23

Marco Pantani wrote:Ok I' ll clear up.

Ascent to Alpe, Contador was no threat anymore, different to the early attack. Andy cared about Evans only.

Stage 16....was Contador dropped by Evans' accelerations on Galibier? No, he just suffered that day.

In the same way Andy wasn't outpaced that day, in my opinion. Also, he didn't knew tactically, what to do. Waiting for Fränk, working together afterwards? Sure, Andy suffered from the weather.

I'll go out now, please be patient for further answers.


Yes of course
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11 Nov 2012 11:32

Marco Pantani wrote:Contador couldn't drop Andy from 2010 on. Andy matched his accelerations immediately, except from Mende, where Andy was on a bad day.

No way, Froome accelerates harder than Andy.

WHY? Because no one can't be on their level or what? Lol. Froome's manner is more sharpened for attacks. It's quite obvious.
Stage 16....was Contador dropped by Evans' accelerations on Galibier? No, he just suffered that day.

Would Contador have been dropped if Evans hadn't pulled so brutally? Of course not. It's an excellent justification not to look up to other's strength. Was he dropped cos' he suffered. ;). It's sort of a captivity of stereotypes like a superclimber can not be dropped with rapid steady pace. But this is not the case. because everyone can be dropped.



ILoveCycling wrote:He is not able to do this against explosive riders like Purito,Alberto or Andy.

It's wrong. You do conclusion on Froome mostly on the 2012 Vuelta where he lost rather to his bad shape than to Contador. However when you rate Contador, you act like Vuelta didn't exist. Ok, let's declare that since Vuelta there are two or three equal climbers - Contador, Purito and Alex. Agree? But when one says Froome is not an explosive climber... I don't know how one should watch races to think so.
He is not more explosive than Andy,you will see on Vetoux(where will Andy attack IMO

Unfortunately, it is an old light-geared Andy. Nowadays he pedals in a more thickset way. After 2009 his trainers changed his work a bit to improve TT skills almost unsuccessfully.
Maaaaarten wrote:Sure, he climbs better than JVDB, Nibali and Wiggins on relatively easy MTF's. But hey, outclimbing JVDB, Nibali and Wiggins is a walk in the park for Contador and in-shape Schleck.

It was so in 2010, what it is going to happen in 2013 we can only guess. Nibali doesn't have a tag 'i'll never be able to climb like schleck and contador' on his forehead. Froome is on the biggest rise among current big guns.
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