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Who will win the 2013 Tour

Poll ended at 25 Oct 2012 12:09

Alberto Contador
61
62%
Cristopher Froome
25
25%
Andy Schleck
6
6%
Vincenzo Nibali
2
2%
Cadel Evans / Teehay Van Garderen
2
2%
Ryder Hesjedal
1
1%
Alejandro Valverde / Juan Jose Cobo
1
1%
Other (specify)
1
1%
 
Total votes : 99

07 Nov 2012 08:36

Yeh, they invited him to the presentation but will not invite him to the race.
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07 Nov 2012 10:43

Ryo Hazuki wrote:AHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I always wonder on what drugs you are


ASO know they need Alberto. They don't want another boring Tour.
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07 Nov 2012 12:47

Ryo Hazuki wrote:AHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I always wonder on what drugs you are
It was my way of being nice to Saxo. I was just trying not to bring drugs, i.e. clinical stuff, DS or sponsors to the conversation. You need to practice your 'reading between the lines' skills. :)
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07 Nov 2012 15:18

cineteq wrote:You're so outdated, you're so 2010! :rolleyes: Saxo is not even a sure thing for the Tour, plus Contador's not the same guy he once was (see Vuelta 2012). And Andy? I guess other posters will fill you in.


Yes, because that was clearly representative and a good indication to see how good AC is. :)

Not saying we'll have the good old fashioned AC domination (although I hope and expect it anyway), but you can't just conclude he's not the same after he seemed to lack some endurence when coming too a GT having done only a small portion of the season.
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07 Nov 2012 15:22

Maaaaaaaarten wrote:Yes, because that was clearly representative and a good indication to see how good AC is. :)

Not saying we'll have the good old fashioned AC domination (although I hope and expect it anyway), but you can't just conclude he's not the same after he seemed to lack some endurence when coming too a GT having done only a small portion of the season.


How would you estimate Froome's preparedness in this regard? Going to conclude anything?
Do you admit that opponents might be not 'the same' too?
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07 Nov 2012 16:16

airstream wrote:How would you estimate Froome's preparedness in this regard? Going to conclude anything?
Do you admit that opponents might be not 'the same' too?


is there anyone here that has ever said that Froome was at 100% this Vuelta?
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07 Nov 2012 16:22

Vino attacks everyone wrote:is there anyone here that has ever said that Froome was at 100% this Vuelta?


that's implied constrainedly due to the fact that emphasis is focused on Contador and his form.
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07 Nov 2012 18:03

airstream wrote:that's implied constrainedly due to the fact that emphasis is focused on Contador and his form.


Actually you're the only person that seems to come to this conclusion. I'd say 98% of this forum concedes that Froome was feeling the effects of the Tour at the Vuelta and of course was not at his best. I think you've jumped ship. In your never ending quest/hope/dream to see Contador get his deserved comeuppance, you've now hitched your wagon to Froome, thinking he's your only chance of getting true satisfaction, this because you've apparently lost hope of the Schleck's ever being able to deliver the killer blow to Contador in a grand tour.

It shouldn't be too difficult to accept that based on Contador's record in the grand tours it's not surprising that he gets the benefit of the doubt more often when it comes to predicting who will be the favorite. He's a proven commodity.

Froome, as has been mentioned, is still finding his way, impressively, to the top step of a grand tour podium. While the Tour was an impressive performance by him, I have to continously remind you of who wasn't there (Contador, Andy Schleck,), of who was there but not at their best (Evans, Valverde), and those that crashed out (Hesjedal, Frank Schleck, Samu) all of which could have altered the eventual outcome. Froome himself indicated during (or after) the Vuelta that the constant attacks/changes in rhythm dictated by Contador, Purito and Valverde put him in a bit of difficulty. Is one within reason to anticipate the same or even more so at the Tour? Van Garderan and Pinot will likely be improved which could be worrisome for Sky in the mountains. They won't have the same one-two punch if Wiggins does the Giro with the intention of winning it.
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07 Nov 2012 20:49

Angliru wrote:Actually you're the only person that seems to come to this conclusion. I'd say 98% of this forum concedes that Froome was feeling the effects of the Tour at the Vuelta and of course was not at his best. I think you've jumped ship. In your never ending quest/hope/dream to see Contador get his deserved comeuppance, you've now hitched your wagon to Froome, thinking he's your only chance of getting true satisfaction, this because you've apparently lost hope of the Schleck's ever being able to deliver the killer blow to Contador in a grand tour.

It shouldn't be too difficult to accept that based on Contador's record in the grand tours it's not surprising that he gets the benefit of the doubt more often when it comes to predicting who will be the favorite. He's a proven commodity.

Froome, as has been mentioned, is still finding his way, impressively, to the top step of a grand tour podium. While the Tour was an impressive performance by him, I have to continously remind you of who wasn't there (Contador, Andy Schleck,), of who was there but not at their best (Evans, Valverde), and those that crashed out (Hesjedal, Frank Schleck, Samu) all of which could have altered the eventual outcome. Froome himself indicated during (or after) the Vuelta that the constant attacks/changes in rhythm dictated by Contador, Purito and Valverde put him in a bit of difficulty. Is one within reason to anticipate the same or even more so at the Tour? Van Garderan and Pinot will likely be improved which could be worrisome for Sky in the mountains. They won't have the same one-two punch if Wiggins does the Giro with the intention of winning it.


I just don't cease to amaze from 'when he's at 100%, nodody's in business' thoughts, because it's the most preposterous way of reasoning to base on. Actual palmares is the only criteria people pay attention to make their predictions? Of course not. Points are built on some subjective rates of riders' strength for the last 1-2-3 years.

Not, as I said previously I can follow sport without rooting for anyone. But to laugh from fan prejudices which are positioned like the only correct viewpoint is my intrinsic right. I think generally Froome is already than Contador. Surely you can operate with your notorious palmares argument, comparing Contador to the guy who rode the only GT for himself (while being in not very good form). It won't change anything.
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07 Nov 2012 20:50

Angliru wrote:Actually you're the only person that seems to come to this conclusion. I'd say 98% of this forum concedes that Froome was feeling the effects of the Tour at the Vuelta and of course was not at his best. I think you've jumped ship. In your never ending quest/hope/dream to see Contador get his deserved comeuppance, you've now hitched your wagon to Froome, thinking he's your only chance of getting true satisfaction, this because you've apparently lost hope of the Schleck's ever being able to deliver the killer blow to Contador in a grand tour.

It shouldn't be too difficult to accept that based on Contador's record in the grand tours it's not surprising that he gets the benefit of the doubt more often when it comes to predicting who will be the favorite. He's a proven commodity.

Froome, as has been mentioned, is still finding his way, impressively, to the top step of a grand tour podium. While the Tour was an impressive performance by him, I have to continously remind you of who wasn't there (Contador, Andy Schleck,), of who was there but not at their best (Evans, Valverde), and those that crashed out (Hesjedal, Frank Schleck, Samu) all of which could have altered the eventual outcome. Froome himself indicated during (or after) the Vuelta that the constant attacks/changes in rhythm dictated by Contador, Purito and Valverde put him in a bit of difficulty. Is one within reason to anticipate the same or even more so at the Tour? Van Garderan and Pinot will likely be improved which could be worrisome for Sky in the mountains. They won't have the same one-two punch if Wiggins does the Giro with the intention of winning it.


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07 Nov 2012 21:41

LaFlorecita wrote:+ 1000 (10char)


Thanks for another reasoned opinion. One of 7000. ;)

'Angliru' wrote:Froome, as has been mentioned, is still finding his way, impressively, to the top step of a grand tour podium. While the Tour was an impressive performance by him, I have to continously remind you of who wasn't there (Contador, Andy Schleck,), of who was there but not at their best (Evans, Valverde), and those that crashed out (Hesjedal, Frank Schleck, Samu) all of which could have altered the eventual outcome. Froome himself indicated during (or after) the Vuelta that the constant attacks/changes in rhythm dictated by Contador, Purito and Valverde put him in a bit of difficulty. Is one within reason to anticipate the same or even more so at the Tour? Van Garderan and Pinot will likely be improved which could be worrisome for Sky in the mountains. They won't have the same one-two punch if Wiggins does the Giro with the intention of winning it.

You vastly overrate factor palmares and winning experience. It give a few points, but rarely becomes crucial. Besides, people like to dwell on stereotypes and improvized wonderland of domination. Contador and Schleck were untouchably strongest climbers in 2010. All is flux, nothing stays still. All hierarchies and relations of forces are flexible like material. Froome didn't beat Evans and Valverde in the Tour — he incinerated, bulldozed them, working for Wiggins and not showing what he was really capable of. And to suppose that he is anyway weaker than Contador and Schleck just because they weren't there is kind of reluctance to handle new things.

Why do you think Froome is so dependent on team like Wiggins. To me, Peña Cabarga and Planche des Belles Filles convincingly showed the man can drop anyone. Disagree?
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07 Nov 2012 22:10

airstream wrote:Thanks for another reasoned opinion. One of 7000. ;)


You vastly overrate factor palmares and winning experience. It give a few points, but rarely becomes crucial. Besides, people like to dwell on stereotypes and improvized wonderland of domination. Contador and Schleck were untouchably strongest climbers in 2010. All is flux, nothing stays still. All hierarchies and relations of forces are flexible like material. Froome didn't beat Evans and Valverde in the Tour — he incinerated, bulldozed them, working for Wiggins and not showing what he was really capable of. And to suppose that he is anyway weaker than Contador and Schleck just because they weren't there is kind of reluctance to handle new things.

Why do you think Froome is so dependent on team like Wiggins. To me, Peña Cabarga and Planche des Belles Filles convincingly showed the man can drop anyone. Disagree?


A 3/4 fit Contador bulldozered Froome a few months ago. Dismantled him. Contador/Schleck going at it after their respective teams have destroyed the Sky train and Froome is nowhere.

Disagree? I would like to hear your informed opinion why you think Froome can drop Contadorin particular, given it was only a few months ago he was swiped aside as an irrelevance against him.
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07 Nov 2012 22:35

ferryman wrote:[/B]

A 3/4 fit Contador bulldozered Froome a few months ago. Dismantled him. Contador/Schleck going at it after their respective teams have destroyed the Sky train and Froome is nowhere.

Disagree? I would like to hear your informed opinion why you think Froome can drop Contadorin particular, given it was only a few months ago he was swiped aside as an irrelevance against him.


I strongly disagree. Despite on sameness of results everyonce in a while, it is the sport in which very subtle details may rock the boat to one of the sides. About what 75% can we talk in cycling where seconds decide a GT winner now and again??? I don't want to draw clinic parallels, but lack of 25% is a gulf. Cosmos. Imo relatively speaking there were a 99% Contador and 101% Purito that overturned picture so drastically. When you talk about 75% fitness, you sort of take Purito's (Valverde's) right to progress as compared with Сontador and reduce the gap. But heck they are all human beings and nothing is permanent. I just offer to put up with it at least.

I don't try to belittle Contador's attacking bearing-down in the Vuelta, but Froome wouldn't have won the race, even if Contador hadn't participated and everyone sees it. His result rather characterizes his inability to ride 2 GTs the same way [which is completely normal because nowadays guys can not drive in hematocrit up to 70 as it happened 15-20 years ago] than his weakness against climbing in an antsy way. The last is totally far-fetched.
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07 Nov 2012 22:51

Airstream is supporting Froome now :confused: is it just to troll (since you said you dont know what a troll is) is it just to argue with velascos's fans?
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07 Nov 2012 23:04

airstream is trying to look into the matter without redundant dramatism.. and fanatism. :p
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07 Nov 2012 23:06

to-may-to, to-mah-to.
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08 Nov 2012 01:41

I shall say one of Contador or Froome.

The first week also does not seem hard enough but riders like Evans must be considered. Him, Andy, Nibali (if he rides) and Samu are most likely to make the podium.

I also hope Rolland, Pinot, TJVG, Hesjedal and Valverde can go well.
If Scarponi cannot ride the Giro i also think he could go well here.
I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong

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08 Nov 2012 01:45

ferryman wrote:[/B]

A 3/4 fit Contador bulldozered Froome a few months ago. Dismantled him. Contador/Schleck going at it after their respective teams have destroyed the Sky train and Froome is nowhere.

Disagree? I would like to hear your informed opinion why you think Froome can drop Contadorin particular, given it was only a few months ago he was swiped aside as an irrelevance against him.


Evans made Contador **** on Galibier once too.

Terrible analysis to consider a consecutive GT to be peak form.

Froome must be desperately hoping Bart de Clercq doesn't ride the Tour next year, given how they were trading blows at the end of the Vuelta.
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08 Nov 2012 07:26

airstream wrote:I strongly disagree. Despite on sameness of results everyonce in a while, it is the sport in which very subtle details may rock the boat to one of the sides. About what 75% can we talk in cycling where seconds decide a GT winner now and again??? I don't want to draw clinic parallels, but lack of 25% is a gulf. Cosmos. Imo relatively speaking there were a 99% Contador and 101% Purito that overturned picture so drastically. When you talk about 75% fitness, you sort of take Purito's (Valverde's) right to progress as compared with Сontador and reduce the gap. But heck they are all human beings and nothing is permanent. I just offer to put up with it at least.

I don't try to belittle Contador's attacking bearing-down in the Vuelta, but Froome wouldn't have won the race, even if Contador hadn't participated and everyone sees it. His result rather characterizes his inability to ride 2 GTs the same way [which is completely normal because nowadays guys can not drive in hematocrit up to 70 as it happened 15-20 years ago] than his weakness against climbing in an antsy way. The last is totally far-fetched.


For once I kind of agree with you. I think Froome's form at the Tour was kind of overrated however, on la toussuire he struggled to follow Wiggins initially after Nibali attacked for a second time
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Red Rick wrote:For once I kind of agree with you. I think Froome's form at the Tour was kind of overrated however, on la toussuire he struggled to follow Wiggins initially after Nibali attacked for a second time


And what? Everything is measured by perfect form and a rider is not entitled to feel difficulty for 10-15 seconds as Froome did or what? What's the difference if then Froome kept himself together and was ready to sprint on the finish line? Damn, how dare you talk about 'overrated form' when the guy worked on the front so much? :rolleyes: Anyone who works so much is doomed to drop from the wheel almost always. Absolutely anyone. Even the most dreamlike mountain domestique like say Heras in 2002.
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