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Who will win the 2013 Tour

Poll ended at 25 Oct 2012 12:09

Alberto Contador
61
62%
Cristopher Froome
25
25%
Andy Schleck
6
6%
Vincenzo Nibali
2
2%
Cadel Evans / Teehay Van Garderen
2
2%
Ryder Hesjedal
1
1%
Alejandro Valverde / Juan Jose Cobo
1
1%
Other (specify)
1
1%
 
Total votes : 99

21 Nov 2012 16:59

The Hitch wrote:Actually it would be the first time. I recalled you assured us that nibali would win the tour and ridiculed anyone who.said.contador would win the vuelta.
Now you have selective memory? :rolleyes: remember Menchov, Sanchez? For the record, I didn't ridicule anyone re: Contador. In fact, he was a worthy winner. If I've ever ridiculed anyone it has to be you. :D
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21 Nov 2012 17:00

Siriuscat wrote:So the previous year when Contador won the toughest Giro in years then placed 5th (couple of minutes back) in a tough hilly tour, where does that stack up against Froomes second on a relatively easy Tour and 10 minute+ loss in the Vuelta???

Just thinking on relative strengths.......:rolleyes::rolleyes:


It is not about relative strength because Froome can not be compared to Contador by palmares. But if Froome wins the Tour it won't be surprise for anyone. For anyone but you and Hitch, if you like


gazelle lol. that was your best post, Hitch. I laughed my heart out
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21 Nov 2012 17:13

airstream wrote:It is not about relative strength because Froome can not be compared to Contador by palmares. But if Froome wins the Tour it won't be surprise for anyone. For anyone but you and Hitch, if you like


gazelle lol. that was your best post, Hitch. I laughed my heart out


We're not comparing palmares....we're comparing the relative strengths of an on form Contador and an on form Froome, and that's ALL about relative strength and recovery!

Funnily enough ..... we're not comparing Andy in this equation!!

It would not be a big surprise if he won, but we'd have a thread as long as your arm in the Clinic, the same as Wiggins if he does.
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21 Nov 2012 17:18

Siriuscat wrote:We're not comparing palmares....we're comparing the relative strengths of an on form Contador and an on form Froome, and that's ALL about relative strength and recovery!

Funnily enough ..... we're not comparing Andy in this equation!!

It would not be a big surprise if he won, but we'd have a thread as long as your arm in the Clinic, the same as Wiggins if he does.


2011 and 2012 is only your hypertrophied comparison which doesn't give any direct answers. However you can't be convinced in the opposite. Relative strength will be clear only after the Tour no matter how it can enrage you or make laugh. :)

By the way why didn't you mention about the Olympics and the shortest even break between Tour and Vuelta? Amnesia or it just doesn't suit your scheme?
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21 Nov 2012 17:32

cineteq wrote:Now you have selective memory? :rolleyes: remember Menchov, Sanchez? For the record, I didn't ridicule anyone re: Contador. In fact, he was a worthy winner. If I've ever ridiculed anyone it has to be you. :D


In the vuelta who will.win thead you were pretty vocal about how contador.coming back from suspension had no chance and anyone who thought otherwise was an idiot.
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21 Nov 2012 17:47

The Hitch wrote:In the vuelta who will.win thead you were pretty vocal about how contador.coming back from suspension had no chance and anyone who thought otherwise was an idiot.
As far as I know, the only person who calls others idiot is you...oh yeah, and Ryo too. :)

I stated that Contador's lack of race legs would hurt him, and I also said do not expect the Contador of 2011 Giro. And I called it right, as he almost lost the Vuelta. Oh wait...I told you so, is it starting to sound familiar?
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21 Nov 2012 18:06

cineteq wrote:As far as I know, the only person who calls others idiot is you...oh yeah, and Ryo too. :)

I stated that Contador's lack of race legs would hurt him, and I also said do not expect the Contador of 2011 Giro. And I called it right, as he almost lost the Vuelta. Oh wait...I told you so, is it starting to sound familiar?


wait so if you said back then that the lack of racing would hurt him, why do you now say he was in top form? consistency much?
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21 Nov 2012 18:11

airstream wrote:2011 and 2012 is only your hypertrophied comparison which doesn't give any direct answers. However you can't be convinced in the opposite. Relative strength will be clear only after the Tour no matter how it can enrage you or make laugh. :)

By the way why didn't you mention about the Olympics and the shortest even break between Tour and Vuelta? Amnesia or it just doesn't suit your scheme?


....or the short break between Tour and Giro in 2011..etc etc etc.

I'm set in my ways?? maybe but over the last 30 years of watching bike racing i've garnered fairly good grasp of the relative merits of riders. Froome is good whether he will be the GT rider Contador has already proven to be is another matter.

You on the other hand refuse resolutely to recognise the abilities of Contador and the fact the he is the best GT rider of the era. That is fact borne out by his palmares.

Will Froome win GT's?? I'd expect so but it would depend on the relative form of his competitors not his abilities in my mind, I'll be happy to be disproved.
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21 Nov 2012 18:12

Parrulo wrote:wait so if you said back then that the lack of racing would hurt him, why do you now say he was in top form? consistency much?
The way he ended La Vuelta is the current Contador, that's his top form. The one we're going to see next year.
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21 Nov 2012 18:28

Siriuscat wrote:
You on the other hand refuse resolutely to recognise the abilities of Contador and the fact the he is the best GT rider of the era. That is fact borne out by his palmares.


No, absolutely not. I never argued with that. People just vote for Froome too because he showed enormous potential without having possibility to show himself fully while being in top form.
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21 Nov 2012 19:04

cineteq wrote:The way he ended La Vuelta is the current Contador, that's his top form. The one we're going to see next year.


And what was Tour 2009? And Giro 2011? Wait I already know your explanation, it doesn't belong in this sub forum. :rolleyes:
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21 Nov 2012 19:15

Siriuscat wrote:So the previous year when Contador won the toughest Giro in years then placed 5th (couple of minutes back) in a tough hilly tour, where does that stack up against Froomes second on a relatively easy Tour and 10 minute+ loss in the Vuelta???

Just thinking on relative strengths.......:rolleyes:


So? We were talking about Froome being fatigued at the Vuelta. Obviously Contador is currently the stronger of the two.

cineteq wrote:Afrank should be able to answer this.


Answer what? Who is better? Froome or Contador? At the moment that is Contador.

You can read my mind too? Great, at least you got that right.


:confused: I have no idea what your talking about anymore.

What a meaningless argument. All this goes to prove that you didn't really watch the Tour, or you missed completely stage 6 (Metz). How can you explain a beat up Gesink ends up 2 minutes behind Froome in La Vuelta? Let's make a deal: if you'd say radioactive bio hazard was sick, I'll buy it. ;)


Valverde lost 2 minutes in Metz, not the full 40 minutes. But it doesn't matter anyways, the point was Valverde did no where near the amount of work that Froome did in the tour. Plus he was coming back from a ban and needed the racing a GT brings to get him back in form to be competitive in them. So your original point, that Valverde doing the tour then placing 2nd in the Vuleta proves Froome wasn't fatigued, is wrong.

As for Gesink: he exited on stage 12 to recovered from his injuries and got back into decent form for the Vuelta. And I will say it again Froome>>>>>>>Gesink.

And to the bolded: What? do you think I am desperately trying to come up with a reason that will please you? Sorry I'm not, Froome was fatigued at the Vuelta that is a fact accepted by everyone in cycling, in your own words "learn it" ;)
oh and contador wasn't in top form at the Vuelta...learn that too.
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21 Nov 2012 19:45

cineteq wrote:The way he ended La Vuelta is the current Contador, that's his top form. The one we're going to see next year.


Bull****,how do you know this?Are you his fitness trainer or something:o
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21 Nov 2012 20:16

Jason_Mercier wrote:The natural selection of Darwin explains that only the strongests survives. And Froome was the strongest in 2011 Vuelta and 2012 Tour. We are not talking about a gazelle. We are talking about other lion which is threatening the kingdom of the current king. And this is the nature. Or you never heart anything about the natural replace?


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21 Nov 2012 20:18

Afrank wrote:And I have already proven those arguments wrong, yet you completely ignore my arguments.

According to your logic: Froome placed 2nd at the Tour while working for Wiggins but didn't use too much energy in doing so. He than went to the Vuleta where he placed 4th, 10 minutes back. How does a rider that is able to place 2nd at the tour with minimal efforts then place 10 minutes back in the Vuleta? I guess you could say Contador, Purito, and Valverde were just stronger than he was, but wait, Froome beat Valverde at the tour by 40 minutes. So much for that argument.

Here's what actually happened: Froome placed 2nd at the tour while working for Wiggins. He then went to the Vuelta as leader and was one of the big favorites to win it. It started off good with Froome hanging in there with the other contenders then it got worse and worse. And Froome lost more and more time. Eventually he fell out of contention and we didn't see him at any key moments in the race. What happened was, while placing 2nd at the tour while working for Wiggins he used too much energy. And as they got further into the Vuelta and the racing got harder his form declined. He showed a clear trend of downward moving form and fatigue.

And the reason I keep saying he was fatigued is because this isn't that complicated. There really isn't that much too it, for everybody but you this isn't even an issue.


this is what happened. now let's laugh at cineteq to see how he will try to save himself out of this
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21 Nov 2012 20:38

Ryo Hazuki wrote:not the strongest surive. the fittest survive. big difference

+1

Same way that Contador was far fitter than Purito, although Purito was the strongest uphill.

EDIT: And the same can be said regarding Piti vs. Purito. Valverde is sublime in getting results without always being the strongest.
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21 Nov 2012 20:42

ILovecycling wrote:Bull****,how do you know this?Are you his fitness trainer or something:o


Is any Contador's defeat explained by bad form?
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21 Nov 2012 20:44

Was Rodriguez in top shape in the Vuelta? Valverde? ) Perfectly prepared Purito wouldn't have had a crisis day on hilly stage, no? :)
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21 Nov 2012 21:00

airstream wrote:Was Rodriguez in top shape in the Vuelta? Valverde? ) Perfectly prepared Purito wouldn't have had a crisis day on hilly stage, no? :)

Cause that was the first time ever he had a bad day in a GT (which was also his strongest GT) :rolleyes:

From 1-10 I would say that the preparation of the contenders were:
Contador: 4
Valverde: 8
Purito: 7
Froome: 3
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21 Nov 2012 21:09

Netserk wrote:Cause that was the first time ever he had a bad day in a GT (which was also his strongest GT) :rolleyes:

From 1-10 I would say that the preparation of the contenders were:
Contador: 4
Valverde: 8
Purito: 7
Froome: 3


According to your rates, Contador is able to beat anyone while being at 50% fit. Are you serious? I'm agree to admit lack of 1 point not more. Why do you save a myth that 'a gap between Contador and others may reduce' so tremulously? Giving Purito and Valverde 7 and 8 respectively, you call them gazelles as the Hitch did.
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