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Who will win 2013 GIRO?

Nibali
90
32%
Rodriguez
29
10%
Hesjedal
16
6%
Basso
9
3%
Wiggins
106
38%
Scarponi
2
1%
Others
29
10%
 
Total votes : 281

28 Nov 2012 13:57

Eshnar wrote:Purito was already being called "in the form of his life" during the Giro. The pre-2012 Rodriguez was never going to do such a race at that level. Surely he had something more during the Vuelta, but only due to the fact that the race was taylor made for him. The 2012 AC would have dropped Purito in a Giro stage, imho. Just like Hesjedal did, to a minor extent. And sure as hell Hesjedal was never gonna beat Purito in that Vuelta. My point is just that we have no evidence that Purito got stronger in between the Giro and Vuelta. We do have hints he got stronger between 2011 and 2012, that's for sure, but nothing else.

Purito and Hesjedal were more or less equals in the Tour 2010. They were again in the Giro 2012, no surprises there.
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28 Nov 2012 13:58

theyoungest wrote:AC probably wasn't 100%, but Purito also clearly found a way to respond to his attacks, which he didn't have before. After all, Contador had only been out of business for a few months.


A few months being a whole year or do you think the Tour de San Luis had such a great effect on him?

It's rather obvious why Rodriguez looked so much better than in the Giro. The Vuelta route suited him much better. Hesjedal would've gotten beaten by Rodriguez on the Vuelta route. Can't believe no one mentioned this obvious fact yet lol.
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28 Nov 2012 14:00

theyoungest wrote:Purito and Hesjedal were more or less equals in the Tour 2010. They were again in the Giro 2012, no surprises there.

If their strength stayed equal in 2 years I don't see why it should change in a matter of 4 months.
A race that doesn't give an attacker the chance to finish it off alone is not a race anymore.


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28 Nov 2012 14:01

El Pistolero wrote:A few months being a whole year or do you think the Tour de San Luis had such a great effect on him?

It's rather obvious why Rodriguez looked so much better than in the Giro. The Vuelta route suited him much better. Hesjedal would've gotten beaten by Rodriguez on the Vuelta route. Can't believe no one mentioned this obvious fact yet lol.

actually I did just 2 posts before you u.u
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28 Nov 2012 14:14

El Pistolero wrote: Can't believe no one mentioned this obvious fact yet lol.


Yeah, cant believe no one mentioned this. Brilliant comprehension skills again Pistrollero


The Hitch wrote:yeah but the Vuelta stages were mostly 1 climb where as the Giro stages were longer and harder

My suspicion is that he would have done better than recovering Gesink and tired Froome but still been a little bit behind the 3 caballeros.


Eshnar wrote: Surely he had something more during the Vuelta, but only due to the fact that the race was taylor made for him. .
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28 Nov 2012 14:24

Then what's the point of this discussion? Hesjedal would've gotten destroyed. Besides Jrod underestimated Hesjedal, he didn't underestimate Valverde and Contador.

Oh and it doesn't really matter if the Giro had longer and multiple mountain stages. They only started racing on the final climb anyway besides one or two stages. It's the type of final mountain and the underestimation of Hesjedal that really mattered. ;)
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


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28 Nov 2012 14:30

El Pistolero wrote:Then what's the point of this discussion? [1] Hesjedal would've gotten destroyed. Besides Jrod underestimated Hesjedal, he didn't underestimate Valverde and Contador.[2]

Oh and it doesn't really matter if the Giro had longer and multiple mountain stages.[3] They only started racing on the final climb anyway besides one or two stages. It's the type of final mountain and the underestimation of Hesjedal that really mattered. ;)

1 - The point is "Was Purito stronger in the Vuelta,compared to the Giro?"
2 - He did underestimate Hesjedal, sure, but he lost the Vuelta by underestimating Contador.
3 - I disagree, but don't wanna start another pointless argument. Maybe another time.
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28 Nov 2012 14:37

ILovecycling wrote:Holy ****:eek:. I have 176x62 and I think I have good weight for climber but 182x55 is insane:o


That is Alberto :D
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28 Nov 2012 14:50

Eshnar wrote:If their strength stayed equal in 2 years I don't see why it should change in a matter of 4 months.

I mean to say that Hesjedal following Purito is not such a surprise, and it happened before. Purito following Contador hasn't.

Last year, Purito was bad at the beginning of the Giro, and great at the end. And superb in the Dauphiné. Then he was great in Burgos and at the beginning of the Vuelta, but not at the end. Obviously something went wrong there, in terms of peaking.

And he got it right this time. Slightly off top form in the Giro, then take it down until after Burgos, and then hit top form in the Vuelta.
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28 Nov 2012 14:55

Ivan_Basso_77 wrote:Ivan Basso is going to disappoint many British who watch cycling since this year's Tour:)


Basso is going to struggle to win anything when his main climbing support is going to be Cameron Wurf and Sarmiento. He might have Caruso as well, but it's going to be a tough season for him.
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28 Nov 2012 15:16

Eshnar wrote:1 - The point is "Was Purito stronger in the Vuelta,compared to the Giro?"
2 - He did underestimate Hesjedal, sure, but he lost the Vuelta by underestimating Contador.
That's a good question, I'd like to hear more on this. On point 2, Purito wasn't really in the driver's seat, meaning that he wasn't the overwhelming favorite or his confidence wasn't sky high. Neither Hesjedal was expected to contest for the win, so I'm not sure if 'underestimate' is the right word there. And yes, Purito and KAT underestimated Contador on one stage. Lights out!
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28 Nov 2012 16:01

cineteq wrote:That's a good question, I'd like to hear more on this. On point 2, Purito wasn't really in the driver's seat, meaning that he wasn't the overwhelming favorite or his confidence wasn't sky high. Neither Hesjedal was expected to contest for the win, so I'm not sure if 'underestimate' is the right word there. And yes, Purito and KAT underestimated Contador on one stage. Lights out!


On more than one day...

Too much of a coward to take meaningful time from Contador when he had the chances.
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28 Nov 2012 21:29

LaFlorecita wrote:That is Alberto :D


I know,Im a lucky man :)...unfortunately I lack his legs and will(I have it,but not like him)
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Ryo Hazuki in August 2013 wrote:what? quintana is already better climber than froome. see final stages of the tour and he's only 23. quintana is the best climber I've sene since pantani. he will become a legend
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29 Nov 2012 01:26

Eshnar wrote:Purito was already being called "in the form of his life" during the Giro. The pre-2012 Rodriguez was never going to do such a race at that level. Surely he had something more during the Vuelta, but only due to the fact that the race was taylor made for him. The 2012 AC would have dropped Purito in a Giro stage, imho. Just like Hesjedal did, to a minor extent. And sure as hell Hesjedal was never gonna beat Purito in that Vuelta. My point is just that we have no evidence that Purito got stronger in between the Giro and Vuelta. We do have hints he got stronger between 2011 and 2012, that's for sure, but nothing else.


who? They haven't been watching. He has raced just as well in the past, maybe worse tt'ing and less intelligence in the past. But in the mountains I don't agree at all.

Purito was stronger at vuelta imo. But yeah hesj would have had no hope there. Good race for purito no doubt.

Netserk wrote:On more than one day...

Too much of a coward to take meaningful time from Contador when he had the chances.


lol coward.. excellent point keyboard hero. :rolleyes:
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29 Nov 2012 08:07

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Ryo Hazuki in August 2013 wrote:what? quintana is already better climber than froome. see final stages of the tour and he's only 23. quintana is the best climber I've sene since pantani. he will become a legend
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29 Nov 2012 08:11

ILovecycling wrote:Sanchez for the Giro.Beat them all Sammy!:cool:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sanchez-likely-to-race-giro-ditalia-vuelta-a-espana-in-2013


Cant believe it.
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29 Nov 2012 08:20

CN reprinted it, must be true.
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29 Nov 2012 08:40

ILovecycling wrote:Sanchez for the Giro.Beat them all Sammy!:cool:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sanchez-likely-to-race-giro-ditalia-vuelta-a-espana-in-2013


Why not? Its getting too risky banking on a result in TdF this year. Giro + Vuelta is a good plan.
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29 Nov 2012 09:02

The last time he rode the Giro was in 2005. Would be interesting. This year we'll have Giro contenders that dont be scared if they have to attack. Nibali and Samuel. Also if Rujano is in top form... fortunately it seems that we wont have a "show" like this year. I only want more TT'ers. There's only Wiggins with GC aspirations. Would be nice if Talansky come to Italy. But i think its difficult because of Hesjedal decission. By the way i want to see Cam Meyer in Italy. He demonstrated in the Vuelta a España that he is improving in the mountain. He only needs endurance and a bit more of climbing skills.
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29 Nov 2012 09:13

Timmy-loves-Rabo wrote:who? They haven't been watching.

was there anyone believing he was almost gonna win, before the start? I remember people were quite surprised to see him so consistent in the high mountains. Just an impression.
Sanchez for the Giro.Beat them all Sammy!

Let's hope he doesn't crash before :o
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