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Who will win 2013 GIRO?

Nibali
90
32%
Rodriguez
29
10%
Hesjedal
16
6%
Basso
9
3%
Wiggins
106
38%
Scarponi
2
1%
Others
29
10%
 
Total votes : 281

28 Dec 2012 13:55

Ryo Hazuki wrote:duarte was in bad shape, yes in good shape he would've won easily. look at last years trentino. also leipheimer was in very bad shape. horner wasn;'t great either

you mean the Duarte that was 10th at Trentino?, yes so amazing and Rank number 200 at CQranking?
Your making a joke out of yourself every single post you make
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28 Dec 2012 13:57

Ryo Hazuki wrote:lol, like what? how to ride like a coward?


How to Win a GT like the best achievement any rider can have on their resume.
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28 Dec 2012 13:59

Ryo Hazuki wrote:henao had to work the entire giro for both cavendish and uran. really bad choice, but now they understand

Haneo did not work for Uran, they were both riding the max that they could every stage and did not work for each other. In fact they stimulated each other to a higher platform.
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28 Dec 2012 14:00

El Pistolero wrote:Yeah, Henao is the experienced one here. :rolleyes:
A mirage. He was babysat. 80% of his GT wins based alone on TT skills. In 2013 will see the real Wiggo exposed without his train. Circa Vuelta 2011 or worse.
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28 Dec 2012 14:06

cineteq wrote:A mirage. He was babysat. 80% of his GT wins based alone on TT skills. In 2013 will see the real Wiggo exposed without his train. Circa Vuelta 2011 or worse.

You can say he was babysat (I guess you mean that he was well supported by his team mates) but if he is not good enough himself he would not be able to stay with the best of the world. Nobody in the Tour (maybe expect for Froome) could ride away from him on the climbs.
Yes he does not attack, but is that necessary when your leading the race? that way you only loose energy. Its up to his competitors to attack him and not the other way around
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28 Dec 2012 14:14

cineteq wrote:A mirage. He was babysat. 80% of his GT wins based alone on TT skills. In 2013 will see the real Wiggo exposed without his train. Circa Vuelta 2011 or worse.


Why would he not have a train? He might not have Froome, but he will still have the best support of anyone.
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28 Dec 2012 14:17

Ferminal wrote:Why would he not have a train? He might not have Froome, but he will still have the best support of anyone.

Astana won't be bad. Maybe the first time Nibali has a strong team since 2010 :o
A race that doesn't give an attacker the chance to finish it off alone is not a race anymore.


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28 Dec 2012 14:21

Yep, hopefully they make a race of it as opposed to letting Sky do all the work or Liquitraining.
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28 Dec 2012 14:22

Ferminal wrote:Why would he not have a train? He might not have Froome, but he will still have the best support of anyone.

Astana will also have a good support for Nibali, and Rabobank will have Gesink, Kruiswijk and Kelderman
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28 Dec 2012 14:23

Leendert82 wrote:Astana will also have a good support for Nibali, and Rabobank will have Gesink, Kruiswijk and Kelderman

I should say Blanco Pro Cycling
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28 Dec 2012 14:31

Ferminal wrote:Yep, hopefully they make a race of it as opposed to letting Sky do all the work or Liquitraining.


On the Gavia/Stelvio stage, if Nibali has a couple of teammates in the breakaway he could really make the Skytrain derail on the descent of the Stelvio. Against a top form Wiggins, I believe that's his only chance.
A race that doesn't give an attacker the chance to finish it off alone is not a race anymore.


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28 Dec 2012 14:54

Eshnar wrote:On the Gavia/Stelvio stage, if Nibali has a couple of teammates in the breakaway he could really make the Skytrain derail on the descent of the Stelvio. Against a top form Wiggins, I believe that's his only chance.


which side are they descending again? the prato side right?

checked it, and yes they are. should a decent descent to watch:

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28 Dec 2012 14:56

gerundium wrote:which side are they descending again? the prato side right?

yeah, they climb from Bormio and descend towards Prato.

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28 Dec 2012 15:04

great timing we post a shot from the same vantage point just seconds apart, but by the looks of it there is at least 20 years between the time these pics were taken. a lot less motorcycle traffic as well :-P
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28 Dec 2012 15:08

gerundium wrote:great timing we post a shot from the same vantage point just seconds apart, but by the looks of it there is at least 20 years between the time these pics were taken. a lot less motorcycle traffic as well :-P

yes but I posted mine 4 minutes before you :p
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28 Dec 2012 15:31

Leendert82 wrote:Astana will also have a good support for Nibali, and Rabobank will have Gesink, Kruiswijk and Kelderman

Wiggo will have Henao, Porte, Cataldo, Kyrienka, Dombrowski... those are all better climbers than Kelderman, and better than whomever Astana will bring in support of Nibali.
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28 Dec 2012 15:39

theyoungest wrote:Wiggo will have Henao, Porte, Cataldo, Kyrienka, Dombrowski... those are all better climbers than Kelderman, and better than whomever Astana will bring in support of Nibali.


agree, Blanco should not try and out-train Sky (or Astana). Rather pinpoint a couple of key stages and go all in early and see if that shakes the tree.
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28 Dec 2012 15:50

theyoungest wrote:Wiggo will have Henao, Porte, Cataldo, Kyrienka, Dombrowski... those are all better climbers than Kelderman, and better than whomever Astana will bring in support of Nibali.

That's an overstatement. Dombrowski is unproven at the top level, specially in a GT. Cataldo is a top20 climber like Tiralongo, Kessiakof. Astana also have Brajkovic who has just done his best GT result. Sky has a very strong team, no doubt, but it's not like the others are worse.
About Porte, I can't remember the last time he did the Giro :D We'll have to see how he adapts to those climbs I guess.
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28 Dec 2012 15:50

theyoungest wrote:Wiggo will have Henao, Porte, Cataldo, Kyrienka, Dombrowski... those are all better climbers than Kelderman, and better than whomever Astana will bring in support of Nibali.


Porte and Henao I agree is just as good/better than Brajko.
Kyrienka have had a couple of extremely good days in his careers, but otherwise a second tier climber.
Cataldo, just as good/worse than Kiryenka.
Dombrowski, remind me how many tours have he done again?

Brajko, Agnoli, Kessiakoff, Tira, Seeldrayers is more than enough to make hell in the mountains.
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28 Dec 2012 15:51

Dazed and Confused wrote:agree, Blanco should not try and out-train Sky (or Astana). Rather pinpoint a couple of key stages and go all in early and see if that shakes the tree.

Probably the first one they'll blow up is Gesink himself, his diesel takes a while to turn on.

trevim wrote:That's an overstatement. Dombrowski is unproven at the top level, specially in a GT. Cataldo is a top20 climber like Tiralongo, Kessiakof. Astana also have Brajkovic who has just done his best GT result. Sky has a very strong team, no doubt, but it's not like the others are worse.
About Porte, I can't remember the last time he did the Giro :D We'll have to see how he adapts to those climbs I guess.

Yeah I forgot about Tiralongo. Brajkovic is okay too, sometimes. Astana have a decent train as well.
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