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26 Jun 2013 08:55

BMC......

Plus the Italian teams that liked to register in the UK.

And that News Corp = News Corp, it is all the same.
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26 Jun 2013 08:55

King Boonen wrote:But for other teams it's fine?

Garmin Sharp.

Argos Shimano.

Saxo-Tinkoff.

Lampre-Merida.

Radioshack-Leopard.


Indeed. As i have written often before on similar subjectS: pro cycling teams are not national teams. And they shouldnt be.

Also, its like argueing that British football teams should only have British sponsors on their jersesys. Doesnt work like that.
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26 Jun 2013 08:58

King Boonen wrote:
Edit:
For clarity, I'm referring to to a second sponsor from a different country, not exclusively an American one.


Could also be the prime name sponsor. Cannondale and CSC comes to mind for example.
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26 Jun 2013 09:00

Cimber wrote:Could also be the prime name sponsor. Cannondale and CSC comes to mind for example.


Yep, I was just wary of someone pointing out the sponsors weren't American! I think this forum has jaded me...
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26 Jun 2013 09:01

As main sponsor not necessarily. Sky are strongly british and pride themselves on being so. A main sponsor that's american damages that reputation/image. well that's my perception anyway. Some of the teams have bike frame/component companies as main sponsors - that's a slightly different situation as the amount of possible sponsors from the same country is limited (if any at all) in the bike industry.
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26 Jun 2013 09:01

Cimber wrote:FDJ for the Tour:

Image

I always been a fan of their regular jersey, but this one is nice too with the French colours.

Sky for the Tour:

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WOW, dat FDJ kit . . .

Could very well be the new best kit in the pro peloton!!!!!
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26 Jun 2013 09:01

21st Century Fox are closely linked to SKy anyway all under same umbrella.
http://sbbcolumns.co.uk/tour-de-pologne-cycling-preview-2015/ Preview World Tour race in Poland, with Movistar likely to face off with Sky.

http://sbbcolumns.co.uk/clasica-san-sebastian-cycling-preview-2015/ San Sebastian preview
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26 Jun 2013 09:18

manafana wrote:21st Century Fox are closely linked to SKy anyway all under same umbrella.

Indeed. It's Team Random Rupert Murdoch Brand.
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26 Jun 2013 09:18

nick101 wrote:As main sponsor not necessarily. Sky are strongly british and pride themselves on being so. A main sponsor that's american damages that reputation/image. well that's my perception anyway. Some of the teams have bike frame/component companies as main sponsors - that's a slightly different situation as the amount of possible sponsors from the same country is limited (if any at all) in the bike industry.


Sky is a British team, but that has nothing to do with the sponsor as such. And really it isnt THAT national based compared to other teams. 2/3 of the riders are non-Brits and a lot of the DSs have historically been non-Brits too. Got logistiv and operational bases abroad.

So yes a British team, but not more national based that most of the other WT teams (even less compared to some of the other WT teams). Often pro contidental teams and lower are the teams that are most national based. The bigger the team and the bigger the budget the more international they become. Its not a bad thing though, its just the way it is.

Anyways, its pretty offtopic to this thread.
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26 Jun 2013 09:25

Cimber wrote:Sky is a British team, but that has nothing to do with the sponsor as such. And really it isnt THAT national based compared to other teams. 2/3 of the riders are non-Brits and a lot of the DSs have historically been non-Brits too. Got logistiv and operational bases abroad.

So yes a British team, but not more national based that most of the other WT teams (even less compared to some of the other WT teams). Often pro contidental teams and lower are the teams that are most national based. The bigger the team and the bigger the budget the more international they become. Its not a bad thing though, its just the way it is.

Anyways, its pretty offtopic to this thread.

The biggest budget teams are Anglosaxon, Russian, and Kazakh. None of these areas have huge numbers of pro riders, so it's only logical they don't have that many riders from the mother country.

But Sky is very much linked to British Cycling, BMC really want to be an American team considering how much they pay Tejay and Phinney. And Katusha and Astana... well, if these teams aren't founded to glorify the nation I'm Pat McQuaid.
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26 Jun 2013 09:30

theyoungest wrote:The biggest budget teams are Anglosaxon, Russian, and Kazakh. None of these areas have huge numbers of pro riders, so it's only logical they don't have that many riders from the mother country.

But Sky is very much linked to British Cycling, BMC really want to be an American team considering how much they pay Tejay and Phinney. And Katusha and Astana... well, if these teams aren't founded to glorify the nation I'm Pat McQuaid.


Yes all of the teams are to some extend rooted in their national base. But as I said that national tie is lessened the bigger the teams get (only natural), and its the same for all teams. Sky is not more or less national based than say BMC, Saxo, Orica, Garmin etc. They are all to a degree based on their national origin, but not to an extend that they can be considered semi national teams or to an extend where its natural to only consider sponsors of certain nationality
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26 Jun 2013 11:48

Edit:
Was already posted by @Cimber
Mark Cavendish: Are people so naive they think cycling's the only sport with a hidden past?
Maybe it's just the only sport where a hidden past's come out.
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26 Jun 2013 12:02

jyhjyh wrote:Image

FDJ.fr's new jersey for July.

Another blue jersey.


You are slow, but since its a nice looking jersey there is noth:)ing wrong with seeing it again
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26 Jun 2013 12:13

Cimber wrote:You are slow, but since its a nice looking jersey there is noth:)ing wrong with seeing it again


Sorry, should have checked first :o
Mark Cavendish: Are people so naive they think cycling's the only sport with a hidden past?
Maybe it's just the only sport where a hidden past's come out.
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26 Jun 2013 12:15

Cimber wrote:Yes all of the teams are to some extend rooted in their national base. But as I said that national tie is lessened the bigger the teams get (only natural), and its the same for all teams. Sky is not more or less national based than say BMC, Saxo, Orica, Garmin etc. They are all to a degree based on their national origin, but not to an extend that they can be considered semi national teams or to an extend where its natural to only consider sponsors of certain nationality


Cimber, I've quoted you purely to highlight the continuation of the conversation, not because what I will write applies to what you have said.

Lets all be honest here, this is a silly conversation. We bemoan the lack of support for pro-cycling, with teams like HTC being forced to disband (I know a fair few were happy about that...) and Blanco, OGE and Radioshack-Leopard struggling to find big sponsors, then people complain when a "big money" sponsor comes in because they feel it isn't in line with the team and cycling's ethos (I'm assuming 21st Century Fox will be paying and it's not just splitting the current sponsorship pot between Murdoch organisations for tax reasons...).

The bigger the sponsors the better as far as I'm concerned. If Apple wanted to sponsor Lampre that'd be awesome. If Shell went for Europcar it'd be brilliant. It offers financial stability (Ok, I'm assuming that but the bigger the sponsor the less money it is in terms of their turnover) and that is drastically needed to secure a good future for cycling.
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26 Jun 2013 12:20

King Boonen wrote:Cimber, I've quoted you purely to highlight the continuation of the conversation, not because what I will write applies to what you have said.

Lets all be honest here, this is a silly conversation. We bemoan the lack of support for pro-cycling, with teams like HTC being forced to disband (I know a fair few were happy about that...) and Blanco, OGE and Radioshack-Leopard struggling to find big sponsors, then people complain when a "big money" sponsor comes in because they feel it isn't in line with the team and cycling's ethos (I'm assuming 21st Century Fox will be paying and it's not just splitting the current sponsorship pot between Murdoch organisations for tax reasons...).

The bigger the sponsors the better as far as I'm concerned. If Apple wanted to sponsor Lampre that'd be awesome. If Shell went for Europcar it'd be brilliant. It offers financial stability (Ok, I'm assuming that but the bigger the sponsor the less money it is in terms of their turnover) and that is drastically needed to secure a good future for cycling.


Totally agree. The teams cant be picky (and they arent)
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26 Jun 2013 13:44

Got to love the new FDJ kit. At first when I heard about the new kit I was devastated 'cause the old one was my favorite. But when I saw the new kit it was even better than the old one!

Still very easy to recognize and the tricolor nicely included. Somehow it just seems very fresh.

Will match nicely with Vichot's national jersey.
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26 Jun 2013 14:09

Isn't the 21st Century Fox sponsor only for the Tour? At least i tought so.
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26 Jun 2013 14:21

Will be weird looking for Pinot in blue rather than white.
BYOP88 wrote:Great to see that Porte has rediscovered his 2010/11 climbing form. Hope he can keep it for the rest of the Tour and year.
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26 Jun 2013 14:27

BigMac wrote:Isn't the 21st Century Fox sponsor only for the Tour? At least i tought so.


No, it'll first appear at the Tour but it's a long term commitment.

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_8792605,00.html

Reading the article, it's actually a re-branding rather than a new sponsor due to the breaking up of News Corp. News Corp is splitting into two separate companies and 21st Century Fox is going to be the one that continues the sponsorship. The team will remain as Sky Pro Cycling though. The good thing is that the new sponsor is 21st Century Fox, rather than News Corp. News Corp is taking the newspapers, while 21st CF is taking the TV and film businesses. This means 21st CF is likely to be the more stable company, having removed the troubled print businesses out to a separate company so as not to effect what they probably feel will be their main business moving forwards, movies and television.

There is no mention of extra funding, although the article does indicate that the term of the funding has been extended, although it doesn't explicitly state it.
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