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05 Nov 2012 01:54

Ferminal wrote:Parker is the U19 3000m WR holder.

It will be hard for Hepburn to find races where he can play for himself. If Durbridge has the same calendar it will lock out all the ****ty little races decided by an ITT, he will probably not be strong enough (yet) anyway. Should almost target prologues only for his first year.

I'm not too sure, Durbridge can't attack or sprint the way Hepburn can, although he is much better in the ITT. Look back at Hepburn's performances at L'Avenir (before he got kicked off) to see what I mean.
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05 Nov 2012 02:05

I agree, but it takes a lot longer to be competitive in those areas as instead of 150km it's after 200km, more hills, and you're up against 10 year pros. Not only that but you need to win the backing of your own team first. Dominate an ITT and you give them no choice.

Unless your Sagan or Moser it's just not happening.
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05 Nov 2012 02:28

Ferminal wrote:I agree, but it takes a lot longer to be competitive in those areas as instead of 150km it's after 200km, more hills, and you're up against 10 year pros. Not only that but you need to win the backing of your own team first. Dominate an ITT and you give them no choice.

Unless your Sagan or Moser it's just not happening.

Certainly, however I do think he is a similar rider to those guys. From what I've seen he could become the type of rider everyone was expecting Michael Matthews to be. Greenedge could do worse than show him some confidence in smaller .1 and HC races.
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05 Nov 2012 03:48

Michael Matthews will have a great year next year at OGE (like Gerrans, Albasini, Davis), just watch. He is more of a pure sprinter than Hepburn, whereas Hepburn is more versatile. Hepburn could be good at the cobbles as he has a good sprint and a good motor. He cannot climb as well as Sagan though.

Matthews just did not get to ride a GT and would only go good at the TDU and some smaller Spanish races.
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05 Nov 2012 04:01

Parker wrote:It's interesting to look back on some of their past lists (going back to 2004).


Kohl and Haussler are a bit low. So is Nibali (though he might have been so low because of his age), Gerdermann (before the crash) and Greipel.

In 2006 Goss is before Cavendish ;). I know Vanendert has the real chance of winning an Ardennes but ahead of Martin:confused:

I also can't see Andy in 06 or 07.
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05 Nov 2012 07:33

greenedge wrote:Kohl and Haussler are a bit low. So is Nibali (though he might have been so low because of his age), Gerdermann (before the crash) and Greipel.

In 2006 Goss is before Cavendish ;). I know Vanendert has the real chance of winning an Ardennes but ahead of Martin:confused:

I also can't see Andy in 06 or 07.

That's because Andy turned pro in 2005. The list is for U23 riders only.
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05 Nov 2012 08:07

Have not read through this thread.. but Barguil is an obvious one, also I believe Cattaneo should hopefully make a breakthrough, Litsenko, a dark horse could be Joshua Edmonson, but that is probably more wishful thinking and he anyways will probably only feature in a very limited amount of races. Otherwise their is still time for last year's predictions of Novikov and Silin to prove their worth this year.. Other obvious ones include Dombrowski and possibly Zakarin, who was been hindered by his doping ban.

In terms of the TPers, well much has been said about the Aussies and of course Bobridge though by no means a surprise should finally start to prove his immense talent though he is at Rabo. Hepburn has been in the shadow of Durbo and Bobridge but he is certainly talented. But Kennaugh is someone who has been labelled by the Sky management as a rider with bagloads of potential, his career on the road so far has been hindered by the track so this season will tell us a lot about him.
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05 Nov 2012 08:28

although i doubt that they get onto the big road stage before 2014 prober, i'd peg Lasse Norman Hansen and a few other of the danish youth track team (Rasmus Quaade in peticular, European U23 TT Champ this year) as raising stars in the near future as several of them have expressed a wish to switch to road as primary focus in the near future
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05 Nov 2012 10:53

greenedge wrote:Kohl and Haussler are a bit low. So is Nibali (though he might have been so low because of his age), Gerdermann (before the crash) and Greipel.

In 2006 Goss is before Cavendish ;). I know Vanendert has the real chance of winning an Ardennes but ahead of Martin:confused:

I also can't see Andy in 06 or 07.


nibali turned pro in 2005 at 20 years of age, same for andy so they pretty muck skipped the u23 ranks.
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05 Nov 2012 12:12

Edmondson will shine in u23 together with Lecuisinier.
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05 Nov 2012 19:49

Froome19 wrote:Otherwise their is still time for last year's predictions of Novikov and Silin to prove their worth this year.

In terms of the TPers, well much has been said about the Aussies and of course Bobridge though by no means a surprise should finally start to prove his immense talent though he is at Rabo. Hepburn has been in the shadow of Durbo and Bobridge but he is certainly talented. But Kennaugh is someone who has been labelled by the Sky management as a rider with bagloads of potential, his career on the road so far has been hindered by the track so this season will tell us a lot about him.


Yeah Kennaugh does but he has spent some time on the road so that is why i dont think he has been mentioned [SIZE="2"][stop giving away cq tips]. Also Silin this year moved teams but he is now at a super Astana squad and Nikita probabably found it hard to adjust. Hepburn has never rode a full season on the road above the U23 level, that is why i think we are all mentioning and Durbridge has so much potential.


@Hugo and Parrulo: Thanks.
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05 Nov 2012 20:11

Vino attacks everyone wrote:Lutsenko, no doubt :=)


He's gonna be a beast.

I'll add Luca Wackermann.
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05 Nov 2012 21:58

greenedge wrote:Yeah Kennaugh does but he has spent some time on the road so that is why i dont think he has been mentioned [SIZE="2"][stop giving away cq tips]. Also Silin this year moved teams but he is now at a super Astana squad and Nikita probabably found it hard to adjust. Hepburn has never rode a full season on the road above the U23 level, that is why i think we are all mentioning and Durbridge has so much potential.


@Hugo and Parrulo: Thanks.

Kennaugh has been transitioning from track to road and amongst balancing the Olympics coming up on the track, he obviously did not really commit totally to the road, so indeed this will be the first time we truly see what he has to offer fully..

Indeed I have been following Silin for some while and after some very impressive perfomances last year he stagnated a bit this year. Seeing as in his first pro season (I assume) with Katusha he really impressed (I always seem to recall the break with Schleck on Stage 18 brilliant for a neo-pro) it is a shame that he has not moved on though of course his move to Astana certainly did not help. He will lack opportunities next year, but nevertheless I am certain that if he finds the form of 2011 he will certainly excel at the team.

Novikov indeed as well obviously has found it hard to adjust to pro racing, but as usual hopefully it will take him a year to get over it and the year coming up will be the year which he starts to excel.
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05 Nov 2012 23:15

you can't have been paying much attention froome :p, the riders with andy on last years break were dries devenyns and maxim inglinsky, silin showed himself with a couple of breakaways iirc on last year's tour but not much more and certainly not the one with schleck.
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05 Nov 2012 23:19

I do not believe you are right Parrulo.
I have rewatched that stage at least twice, but check for yourself:p

Edit: Check this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkxOyfYSRTc&feature=related at 32:10 for proof..
Very impressive as he stayed on for a long time considering that the original break was so big.
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05 Nov 2012 23:21

FYI Devenyns kept on longest, but Silin was there I b
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05 Nov 2012 23:27

Froome19 wrote:I do not believe you are right Parrulo.
I have rewatched that stage at least twice, but check for yourself:p

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well i just checked and he was there on the valley and was dropped with 16.7k to go (fast youtube check) so he just happened to be on the breakaway that was caught by shcleck on the descent and then followed schleck on a flat and false flat section being dropped as soon as it got a bit steeper. not exactly super impressive to be honest that is why i didn't even remember he was there.

he didn't even help on the flat like devenyns did :o

sorry despite him being there on the break that performance is anything but impressive, i would say dozens of young riders had better performances last year during the season.
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06 Nov 2012 05:40

How about Coquard? I think he can do something in 2013, like Demare did in 2012:rolleyes:
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06 Nov 2012 06:29

CraZyCaLL wrote:How about Coquard? I think he can do something in 2013, like Demare did in 2012:rolleyes:


Not if Lutsenko is there :D
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06 Nov 2012 12:43

I am very much looking forward to following Loic Vliegen in 2013. I think he is an exceptional talent!

Umberto Orsini. Nephew of Andrea Tafi. Excellent climber with heeps of potential.

Silvio Herklotz. Extremely powerful athlete. Looking forward to seeing how he handles the transition to Sub-23.

Just to name a few!
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