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06 Nov 2012 12:47

CraZyCaLL wrote:How about Coquard? I think he can do something in 2013, like Demare did in 2012:rolleyes:


Does he have a team for next year ?

Edit: nvm I already found it signed with Europcar
"The second place is not good."
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06 Nov 2012 12:48

LaFlorecita wrote:Does he have a team for next year ?


Europcar..
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09 Nov 2012 12:24

Zam_Olyas wrote:Bongiorno - I have been trying to find out for awhile and have not find any info about him siigning for a new team yet.


Bongiorno to Colnago
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19 Nov 2012 20:06

Dombrowski and Aru will do some things like Pinot and Quintana this year. Obviously not a Top10 in the TDF with a stage victory or show the climb level of Valverde and Purito but yes important things. I expect Dombrowski will be the third best climber of Sky until finish 2013. Not mentioned Andrea Palini and Danny Van Poppel.
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19 Nov 2012 20:12

Jason_Mercier wrote:Dombrowski and Aru will do some things like Pinot and Quintana this year. Obviously not a Top10 in the TDF with a stage victory or show the climb level of Valverde and Purito but yes important things. I expect Dombrowski will be the third best climber of Sky until finish 2013. Not mentioned Andrea Palini and Danny Van Poppel.


Does that mean you think Dombrowski will climb better than two of Wiggins, Froome, Henao and Uran next year?
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19 Nov 2012 20:16

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19 Nov 2012 20:19

Maaaaaaaarten wrote:Does that mean you think Dombrowski will climb better than two of Wiggins, Froome, Henao and Uran next year?


Yes it mean that. Indeed in my opinion Joseph Dombrowski is at the climbing level of Pinot and Quintana.
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19 Nov 2012 20:39

Maaaaaaaarten wrote:Does that mean you think Dombrowski will climb better than two of Wiggins, Froome, Henao and Uran next year?


1. Froome
2. Henao
3. Uran
4. Dombro
5. Wiggo

And in a couple years
1. Dombro
2. Henao
3. Uran
4. Froome
10. Wiggo

Dombrowski will ride away from Wiggins in the mountains and when Wiggins cries up the road for him to come back he will say "I don't think so Wiggo!" and up the pace even more! :D

Ok, I might be trolling a little with that :o. But I like Dombrowski, he'll be a big talent in the future. And his attack at the Giro Bio was one of the best I've seen this year.
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19 Nov 2012 20:56

Afrank wrote:1. Froome
2. Henao
3. Uran
4. Dombro
5. Wiggo

And in a couple years
1. Dombro
2. Henao
3. Uran
4. Froome
10. Wiggo

Dombrowski will ride away from Wiggins in the mountains and when Wiggins cries up the road for him to come back he will say "I don't think so Wiggo!" and up the pace even more! :D

Ok, I might be trolling a little with that :o. But I like Dombrowski, he'll be a big talent in the future. And his attack at the Giro Bio was one of the best I've seen this year.


His win in the Giro Bio is one of the most impressive of the last years. Face to face with Aru, his performance really shocked me. Specially in Terminillo. I think nobody expected Joseph would beat Aru in that way, in Italy. An amazing climb to Mount Baldy in California, at Nibali level in the queen stage of Colorado, one of the strongests in Utah. All races he rode this year were succesful for him. He's 20 years, it's unbelievable. Its the best american prpmising rider of the decade.
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19 Nov 2012 21:12

Jason_Mercier wrote:His win in the Giro Bio is one of the most impressive of the last years. Face to face with Aru, his performance really shocked me. Specially in Terminillo. I think nobody expected Joseph would beat Aru in that way, in Italy. An amazing climb to Mount Baldy in California, at Nibali level in the queen stage of Colorado, one of the strongests in Utah. All races he rode this year were succesful for him. He's 20 years, it's unbelievable. Its the best american prpmising rider of the decade.


He's definitely more promising than Van Garderen, who'll never be a great climber, one of the worst climbers to top 5 in the Tour. Dombrowski will have a year to build some endurance, and maybe even do a GT. In 2014 he can really start kicking *** imo. Now he could have a season like Gesink had in 2008, they're very similarly talented at the same age. I just hope bad luck doesn't affect 2 whole years of Dombro's career as well.
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19 Nov 2012 21:31

Pentacycle wrote:He's definitely more promising than Van Garderen, who'll never be a great climber, one of the worst climbers to top 5 in the Tour. Dombrowski will have a year to build some endurance, and maybe even do a GT. In 2014 he can really start kicking *** imo. Now he could have a season like Gesink had in 2008, they're very similarly talented at the same age. I just hope bad luck doesn't affect 2 whole years of Dombro's career as well.


I dont agree. We saw his climbing abilities in CdF and Peyresourde (Evans stopped him in La Toussuire, when probably he had legs to stay with the chasing group) Of course he showed a climbing level in the TdF that he never has showed previously. Maybe only in Alpe D'Huez (Dauphine 2010) and in Malhao. But i think he has the talent as a complete climber.
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19 Nov 2012 21:40

Maaaaaaaarten wrote:Does that mean you think Dombrowski will climb better than two of Wiggins, Froome, Henao and Uran next year?

I think he will. Sky will go back to "normal-mode", i.e the climbing hierarchy will be: 1. Henao 2. Uran 3. Dombrowski 4.EBH...28. Froome. :p
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19 Nov 2012 22:42

Jason_Mercier wrote:I dont agree. We saw his climbing abilities in CdF and Peyresourde (Evans stopped him in La Toussuire, when probably he had legs to stay with the chasing group) Of course he showed a climbing level in the TdF that he never has showed previously. Maybe only in Alpe D'Huez (Dauphine 2010) and in Malhao. But i think he has the talent as a complete climber.


Although this could belong in the Tour thread, think of Tejay as a TT specialist with good climbing. Of the 11'04'' he lost to Wiggins in GC he lost only 3'40'' in TT's, but he lost 7 minutes(incl. helping Evans ofc) in the mountains. Compare it to JVDB, who only lost about 2 and a half to Wiggins outside of TT's, and without his chain drop before La Planche it would have been 1 minute. So in a normal Tour like 2010 Van Garderen would have lost about 5 minutes to JVDB, which would have been an 8th-9th place. I might be wrong because I missed a lot of stages this Tour, but having seen him drop like a stone on Peyresourde, it wasn't like seeing the next Tour winner. Dombrowski imo on the other hand has the talent to one day bring the yellow jersey home.
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19 Nov 2012 23:07

Jason_Mercier wrote:Dombrowski and Aru will do some things like Pinot and Quintana this year. Obviously not a Top10 in the TDF with a stage victory or show the climb level of Valverde and Purito but yes important things. I expect Dombrowski will be the third best climber of Sky until finish 2013. Not mentioned Andrea Palini and Danny Van Poppel.


Danny van Poppel indeed has had some very impressive results in U23 last year, but he won't even be 20 until mid-summer next year. I don't remember any teenager in recent years really having results, save I guess Sagan at the very start of his first season in the TDU (but even he had turned 20 by the time Paris-Nice rolled around). I think DvP will need at least another year before he starts impressing at the pro races.
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19 Nov 2012 23:25

Pentacycle wrote:Although this could belong in the Tour thread, think of Tejay as a TT specialist with good climbing. Of the 11'04'' he lost to Wiggins in GC he lost only 3'40'' in TT's, but he lost 7 minutes(incl. helping Evans ofc) in the mountains. Compare it to JVDB, who only lost about 2 and a half to Wiggins outside of TT's, and without his chain drop before La Planche it would have been 1 minute. So in a normal Tour like 2010 Van Garderen would have lost about 5 minutes to JVDB, which would have been an 8th-9th place. I might be wrong because I missed a lot of stages this Tour, but having seen him drop like a stone on Peyresourde, it wasn't like seeing the next Tour winner. Dombrowski imo on the other hand has the talent to one day bring the yellow jersey home.


Of course in a route like 2010 Van Garderen dont have any possibilities. But in a route with 100 kms of ITT i think he will be a contender. We havent seen his 100% yet. He lost the most of the time in Belles Filles and Porrentruy, probably didnt arrived in top form. In La Toussuire stage i think he had the level to stay with the chasing group (based on the previous ascent of the Croix de Fer) in the Bagneres de Luchon stage he arrived with Valverde or Van Den Broeck. Only Froome, Wiggins and Nibali ahead. And in the last mountain stage was so close after the best climbers. This year he has demonstrated a great level in the Time trial. Maybe one of the the three best tt's GC contenders? Hes 24. IMO he has a big margin of improvement as a climber. Probably in a few years he will be the best time triallist of the GT riders and one of the best climbers. It wouldnt be
enough for win a GT which suite his conditions?
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19 Nov 2012 23:43

I wrote "losed" wow:D Let me edit one more time. Sorry for my english. In few words for me Van Garderen will be an important option in routes which suits time trial riders.
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20 Nov 2012 09:45

Jason_Mercier wrote:Dombrowski and Aru will do some things like Pinot and Quintana this year. Obviously not a Top10 in the TDF with a stage victory or show the climb level of Valverde and Purito but yes important things. I expect Dombrowski will be the third best climber of Sky until finish 2013. Not mentioned Andrea Palini and Danny Van Poppel.


dombrowski yes, aru. no. also he won't be better than froome and henao next year. henao is improving a lot again his climbing (losing weight)
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20 Nov 2012 11:49

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20 Nov 2012 14:50

Ryo Hazuki wrote:dombrowski yes, aru. no. also he won't be better than froome and henao next year. henao is improving a lot again his climbing (losing weight)


What was Henao's weight this year then? I thought he already was 61 kgs or so. If he's going to be even leaner/stronger/better next year he should be a GT leader instead of endlessly pulling for Froome/Wiggins.

And I also don't get the Aru hype. He has to prove a lot more among the pros than Dombrowski. This is the problems with all Italians basically, for example I didn't get why so many people expected Moser to be the next big thing, just because of results in minor domestic races. Italians only perform on home soil, but still they get all the hype. Could be just my problem ofc. :D
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20 Nov 2012 14:54

Pentacycle wrote:What was Henao's weight this year then? I thought he already was 61 kgs or so. If he's going to be even leaner/stronger/better next year he should be a GT leader instead of endlessly pulling for Froome/Wiggins.

And I also don't get the Aru hype. He has to prove a lot more among the pros than Dombrowski. This is the problems with all Italians basically, for example I didn't get why so many people expected Moser to be the next big thing, just because of results in minor domestic races. Italians only perform on home soil, but still they get all the hype. Could be just my problem ofc. :D


henao was 170x62 kg. until few years ago he was 58/57 kg. of course it's also his natural physical evolution he's had. he is build as a sprinter. but I noticed him in the vuelta already looking lighter and most important of all. he is changing his gearing again. with botero and antioquia he started riding very heavy gears, which improved many of his elements except he really blew in steeper climbs. especially his last year in colombia henao was an average climber he dropped hard in all of the big climbs in colombia and was basically nowhere to win vuelta or rcn. while as a junior and first years as u23(cep) he was a pure climber, riding light gears, very explosive. in burgos, the stage chaves won I saw him riding much lighter gears which means he's a lot better in steep climbs now. sky are obviously working hard with him to improve all of this. that's why I expect a big step forward next year. also in itt
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