Parker wrote:And of that whole long list hpow many actually won anything of any note? Altig, Pettersen, Hoban, Thurau and maybe Ritter
Oh I see, a gloryhunter. Documentate please. There are plenty of other stars in my list. Enough fooling yourself. Talking about Eastern Euros or non Euros, you might have been credible but then moving on to the Brits was laughable, then to the Scandinavians was even more and now the Germans well that's beyond imagination. Next what? The Swiss maybe? I'm quite embarrassed here.
Parker wrote:You managed to name three North Americans and one Eastern European from that whole period in all races - there have been more teams from those areas in modern races.
The Polish formed a team
in several "open" races in the West.
I named more than one Eastern Euro but one was of particular importance Ruharzs Szukorwski (spelling still probably wrong) because he dominated the field on the other side of the curtain.
Some more: Antoine Trus (Poland), Dieter Wiedemann (Germany; Former GDR), Siegfried Adler (Germany; former GDR), Horst Oldenburg (Germany; former GDR), Maryan Polansky (Stateless; Polish descent?), Jiri Daler (Czechoslovakia), Mieczyslaw Nowicki (Poland), Tadeusz Mitnyk (Poland), Tadeusz Zawada (Poland), Lech Tomaszewski (Poland), Jozef Kaczmarek (Poland), Janusz Kowalski (Poland), Jan Brzezny (Poland), Bernard Kreczynski (Poland), Zbigniew Krzeszowiec (Poland), Wojciech Matusiak (Poland), Miloš Fišera (Czechoslovakia), Pavel Krejčí (Czechoslovakia), Jiri Murdych (Czechoslovakia). All these guys had their chance against the best Western Euros of the time.
Also Stablinski and Graczyk were Polish.
Parker wrote:In Merckx's last winning Tour in 1974 there were 130 riders. Only six of them came from outside the 'big five' nations.
Hey dude, there are dozens and dozens of races other than Bore de France in a cycling calendar. So check out the startlists of all the major classics of the 70's and then we can start the discussion.
Parker wrote:Nowadays a Brit and a Canadian have won Grand Tours and an Aussie and a Kazakh monuments in just this season.
Continental Western Euro standard dropped beautifully.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:the best colombian rider (cochise) came to europe well in his 30s. even then he was only allowed to work for gimondi except a few giro stages, which he won and trofeo barachin (duo itt with gimondi). there's a notirous intevriew with cochize where he said gimondi used him to literally pull himself up the climbs, by pushing his arms on him and launching himself everytime until chochise couldn't hold it anymore.
You sent me that interview by e-mail and I still appreciate that despite the fact you've constantly been spitting your hatred on my face on this forum ever since.
I'm still not convinced that had he come to Europe earlier Cochise could've beaten Merckx on a regular basis. There have been many races where he could race for himself. The Giro is not everything. Better than his Giro stages is his Camaiore GP win in 1973, for me !
Ryo Hazuki wrote:besides that's not even the point. the point of globalisaiton is that now there are way ebtter cyclists from all over the world. the brits of today are better than then, same with latin americans, north americans, scandinvaians, australians, germans etc etc
You'll have to convince me. And that's exactly the point. Parker said that riders from these nations did not exist at that time and I had to react ...
silverrocket wrote:2. Training/diet etc. was much more informal back then. This would lead to much more variation between riders, and the riders doing it "correctly" would see bigger gains. These days everybody knows about anaerobic thresholds, recovery, intervals (no, Sky didn't invent these!), bike fitting, etc.
But for goodness sake, Coppi invented intervals in the forties or at least brought it to cycling. The method gradually improved and generalized but it was totally generalized in the late sixties. Van Kerrebroeck trained on interval, Berten Van Damme trained on interval, the De Vlaeminck's trained on interval since amateur years, Monseré trained on interval in his first year as amateur.
With regards to training and diet, Bobet, De Bruyne, Van Looy, Geminiani, Adorni owe everything to Coppi.
I have an interview of Louis Caput in the Seventies in which he said that everybody then "did the job", which was not the case in the fifties when he raced, and not the case for himself in particular.