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Lets support riders in a dope free culture!

07 Nov 2012 16:23

I think we should collect a massive fans vote to press organizers to put together "reasonable" challenges on routes, not pushing riders for cheating ! For example total Km's and mountain finishes should be down to earth NOT pushing competitors to hell ! How can we organize this mass support ?
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07 Nov 2012 16:33

please...: GO AWAY AND NEVER COME BACK. if I said right now what I felt I'd be banned again. I can only triple facepalm at you.
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07 Nov 2012 16:37

Riders will dope regardless of how hard or easy, long or short the route is (look at the doping going on in crits, for example). The routes were a lot tougher before the days of scientific doping, with 300 km stages not being uncommon, and the riders managed without EPO or transfusions. What you propose would ruin cycling.
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07 Nov 2012 16:41

hrotha wrote:Riders will dope regardless of how hard or easy, long or short the route is (look at the doping going on in crits, for example). The routes were a lot tougher before the days of scientific doping, with 300 km stages not being uncommon, and the riders managed without EPO or transfusions. What you propose would ruin cycling.


thank you for putting into nice words what I felt. still can't get by complete ignorance of people that can't think of that themselves
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07 Nov 2012 16:42

hrotha wrote:What you propose would ruin cycling.


Doping (and the omertà culture) ruins cycling, not shorter races.

Making races more "human" is only a small part of the solution. Even more important then shorter stages are shorter transfers.
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07 Nov 2012 16:45

Bye Bye Bicycle wrote:Doping (and the omertà culture) ruins cycling, not shorter races.

Making races more "human" is only a small part of the solution. Even more important then shorter stages are shorter transfers.

The whole point is that doping and races being longer have nothing to do with each other. The races are perfectly human. Any trained person could do them - just not as fast.
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07 Nov 2012 16:46

Bye Bye Bicycle wrote:Doping (and the omertà culture) ruins cycling, not shorter races.

Making races more "human" is only a small part of the solution. Even more important then shorter stages are shorter transfers.


not really. since 1998 cycling has increased populairity more then ever before. because some idiots in the clinic think otherwise means **** after balco scandal hit mlb, revenue more then doubled. most people don't care. they want entertainment and rightfully so.

and your idea of shorter tranfers is even more stupid as by your logic means more time for transfusions. :rolleyes:
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good idea

07 Nov 2012 16:49

good idea.........why not go on and do it?

why post in pro racing and not the clinic?
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07 Nov 2012 17:17

Wow, you're the first one I've seen being triple facepalmed by Ryo on your first post!
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07 Nov 2012 17:43

hrotha wrote:Riders will dope regardless of how hard or easy, long or short the route is (look at the doping going on in crits, for example). The routes were a lot tougher before the days of scientific doping, with 300 km stages not being uncommon, and the riders managed without EPO or transfusions. What you propose would ruin cycling.


indeed, any1 that think like OP must have never ridden a bike in his life. the idea that riders dope to finish races is beyond idiotic, they dope to finish them first otherwise there would be o doping o 100m races as even my 78 year old grandfather could run them, so that's as human as it get's.

also this thread belongs in the clinic so i am moving it there
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07 Nov 2012 17:49

Parrulo wrote:indeed, any1 that think like OP must have never ridden a bike in his life. the idea that riders dope to finish races is beyond idiotic, they dope to finish them first otherwise there would be o doping o 100m races as even my 78 year old grandfather could run them, so that's as human as it get's.

also this thread belongs in the clinic so i am moving it there
Is there any need to be condescending with a first-time poster? Or the fact that he never has ridden a bike (according to you) an issue? :confused:
Do you want to watch better bike racing? => Team radios (not race radio) must go!
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07 Nov 2012 18:52

Why belongs a thread which discusses dopefree cycling into the clinic?
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07 Nov 2012 18:54

Bye Bye Bicycle wrote:Why belongs a thread which discusses dopefree cycling into the clinic?


Because it is about doping simply because it is about [SIZE="5"]doping [/SIZE]free cycling
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07 Nov 2012 18:55

cineteq wrote:Is there any need to be condescending with a first-time poster? Or the fact that he never has ridden a bike (according to you) an issue? :confused:


Yea Parrulo as a mod should know better. Ryo ok I can live with that.
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07 Nov 2012 18:58

Bye Bye Bicycle wrote:Doping (and the omertà culture) ruins cycling, not shorter races.

Making races more "human" is only a small part of the solution. Even more important then shorter stages are shorter transfers.


No. You are making a mistake thinking the problem is at the athlete's level. The problems are at the IOC/UCI. Focusing the blame on the athlete distracts the casual sports fan from the IOC's role in promoting doping.

The anti-doping system is an elaborate IQ test designed so everyone but the dumbest athlete passes. Olympic sports federations like the UCI have complete authority over the anti-doping process.

The doping will flourish as long as the sports federation (ex. UCI) has total doping authority.
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07 Nov 2012 19:04

Ryo Hazuki wrote:not really. since 1998 cycling has increased populairity more then ever before


More people riding bikes recreationally? Yes, but it has nothing to do with competitive cycling. It has everything to do with bike selection and a couple of other geographic factors.
More people racing? Not in the U.S. The number of USAC members is flat excluding special circumstances. The number of spectators has declined dramatically.
More live viewers for cycling events? I don't think so, but that's me.
More video viewers for cycling events? Thank the Internet, not something the UCI is doing.
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07 Nov 2012 19:24

Parrulo wrote:indeed, any1 that think like OP must have never ridden a bike in his life. the idea that riders dope to finish races is beyond idiotic, they dope to finish them first otherwise there would be o doping o 100m races as even my 78 year old grandfather could run them, so that's as human as it get's.

also this thread belongs in the clinic so i am moving it there


this post is moderator unworthy.

hate to break it to you, but the fact is that a lot of cycling spectators (perhaps not racers themselves) believe there is a logic correlation between the amount of PEDs used in cycling and the extreme toughness of the races, especially the TdF.

Perhaps not the idea a 'racer' would come up with, but it's a natural thought and quite common among normal cycling spectators.
Not idiotic (or beyond).
And the forum isn't just for racers last time I checked.

if you feel like moderating, tell Ryo Hazuko to chill.
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07 Nov 2012 19:53

Bye Bye Bicycle wrote:Doping (and the omertà culture) ruins cycling, not shorter races.

Making races more "human" is only a small part of the solution. Even more important then shorter stages are shorter transfers.


Shorter races actually encourages one to dope.
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07 Nov 2012 20:06

As I said - a small part of the solution. I don't know why everybody relates only to this part of my post.

People like Vinokourov, Riccò etc. will dope anyway, be it a 120 or a 250 km race. So that's no argument.
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07 Nov 2012 20:22

diminse wrote:I think we should collect a massive fans vote to press organizers to put together "reasonable" challenges on routes, not pushing riders for cheating ! For example total Km's and mountain finishes should be down to earth NOT pushing competitors to hell ! How can we organize this mass support ?


May I recommend that you go watch your local club's industrial park criterium races, as that sounds like what you would consider a "reasonable" challenge. You know, not too difficult and 0 elevation gain. Your chances of seeing a clean race, however, are slim as there are so many master's-level guys out there recapturing their youth with pharmaceutical help.
I say let the professionals earn their pay and make that sh*t difficult. I want to see more races like the Vuelta this year. Maybe you should watch golf instead.
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