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Pure climbers.

22 Nov 2012 20:55

Throughout history on cycling we've always had many representatives of this kind of cyclist. A historic cyclist. Most of them legends or brave riders with an great winning mentality and an admirable capacity for suffering. Suffice with go backwards in time and remenber past decades. Mythical climbers like Binda, Coppi, Gaul or Bahamontes. Poulidor, Van Impe, Battaglin, Ocaña or Fuente in the 70's, Millar, Delgado, Parra, Hampsten or Herrera in the 80's and more recently Leblanc, Pantani or Chiapucci in the 90's. After one of the worsts decades of the history of this sport in what refers of pure climbers nowadays we have big hopes in young guys like Thibaut Pinot, Nairo Quintana and the colombians, Joseph Dombrowski... IMO the future of this race mostly depends of them. Now i want to formulate the question i wanted to make since the beginning of this thread:D Who are the top ten pure climbers today? I want to clarify that for me a classic rider like Valverde, Nibali or Chris Froome arent pure climbers. Here's my list: 1) Alberto Contador 2) Andy Schleck 3) J. Rod 4) Thibaut Pinot 5) Jürgen Van Den Broeck 6) Pierre Rolland 7) Nairo Quintana 8) Robert Gesink 9) José Rujano 10) Domenico Pozzovivo. And another questions. Which generation of climbers of the last 50 years was better? Maybe the 70s? Will we overcome the current crisis of pure climbers thanks for the new hopes?
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22 Nov 2012 21:10

Why is AC a pure climber?
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22 Nov 2012 21:11

I want to clarify that for me a classic rider like Valverde, Nibali or Chris Froome arent pure climbers.


Froome is a classics rider?

While LBL winner and podium finisher Schleck is not?
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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22 Nov 2012 21:13

Vino attacks everyone wrote:Why is AC a pure climber?


is this a joke??


the best climber ever and also the purest climber ever, was pantani.
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22 Nov 2012 21:14

And another question. Are the current pure climbers lucky for live in the recent times where the routes are made for climbers with few kms of TT and the designers of GT's offers them stages of 170/180 kms as much? What had achieved Richard Virenque if he had lived this period?
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22 Nov 2012 21:16

Ryo Hazuki wrote:is this a joke??


the best climber ever and also the purest climber ever, was pantani.


what i meant wa that Froome is probably taken out of the contest becasue he is a very good tter (?) but so i AC
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22 Nov 2012 21:17

The Hitch wrote:Froome is a classics rider?

While LBL winner and podium finisher Schleck is not?


a classic rider like Valverde and apart Froome or Nibali. Andy Schleck is a pure climber. The achievements dont matter. Only the conditions. And Andy Schleck has the conditions of a pure climber.
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22 Nov 2012 21:20

Vino attacks everyone wrote:Why is AC a pure climber?


He isn't, but his climbing skills are still better than most (all?) of the so called pure climbers currently active and relevant at the top level.
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22 Nov 2012 21:21

Right at this moment: Vincenzo Nibali, bar none.
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22 Nov 2012 21:23

Alberto Contador is not a pure climber? LOL. For me yes. So its a subjective list. You can interpret the words "pure climber" as you want.
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22 Nov 2012 21:24

Jason_Mercier wrote:Throughout history on cycling we've always had many representatives of this kind of cyclist. A historic cyclist. Most of them legends or brave riders with an great winning mentality and an admirable capacity for suffering. Suffice with go backwards in time and remenber past decades. Mythical climbers like Binda, Coppi, Gaul or Bahamontes. Poulidor, Van Impe, Battaglin, Ocaña or Fuente in the 70's, Millar, Delgado, Parra, Hampsten or Herrera in the 80's and more recently Leblanc, Pantani or Chiapucci in the 90's. After one of the worsts decades of the history of this sport in what refers of pure climbers nowadays we have big hopes in young guys like Thibaut Pinot, Nairo Quintana and the colombians, Joseph Dombrowski... IMO the future of this race mostly depends of them. Now i want to formulate the question i wanted to make since the beginning of this thread:D Who are the top ten pure climbers today? I want to clarify that for me a classic rider like Valverde, Nibali or Chris Froome arent pure climbers. Here's my list: 1) Alberto Contador 2) Andy Schleck 3) J. Rod 4) Thibaut Pinot 5) Jürgen Van Den Broeck 6) Pierre Rolland 7) Nairo Quintana 8) Robert Gesink 9) José Rujano 10) Domenico Pozzovivo. And another questions. Which generation of climbers of the last 50 years was better? Maybe the 70s? Will we overcome the current crisis of pure climbers thanks for the new hopes?


If you define "pure climber" as someone who can´t sprint, can´t TT, can´t win a race like Roubaix, then I´d change most names you named. Quintana, Rujano and Pozzovivo can stay.

To add just a few:
Nieve
Santambrogio
Zaugg
Szmyd
Jelle Vanendert

All GC guys have to be good in climbing and TT, and in the important stage races, if they recover properly and keep their HCTs up, good climbers suddenly also show good TTs, remember 55-Kilo-Pantani.
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22 Nov 2012 21:24

Jason_Mercier wrote:Alberto Contador is not a pure climber? LOL. For me yes. So its a subjective list. You can interpretate the words "pure climber" as you want.


he is the best climber. A pure climber i would think is someone that pretty much just is visible in the high mountains? or atleast that is what i would think it means :p
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22 Nov 2012 21:25

1. Locke
2. Wiggins
3. Froome
4. Zubeldia
5. Horner
6. Valverde
7. moncoutie
8. Visconti
9. Contador
10. Gesink
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22 Nov 2012 21:27

Who claimed he was the best climber in the world behind Contador and Rodrigue? Wasn´t it Horner?
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22 Nov 2012 21:27

in recent years contador and schleck are a mile in front of all these young pretenders and if AS can recover fully from his injury there is still plenty more to come , not that many on this forum will agree as its just a contador love forum and pretty much hatred for schleck .
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22 Nov 2012 21:28

right now rujano is the strongest pure climber in the world.
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22 Nov 2012 21:32

HiCadence wrote:1. Locke
2. Wiggins
3. Froome
4. Zubeldia
5. Horner
6. Valverde
7. moncoutie
8. Visconti
9. Contador
10. Gesink


Lol. Wow. Wtf:D
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22 Nov 2012 21:33

RHRH19861986 wrote:Who claimed he was the best climber in the world behind Contador and Rodrigue? Wasn´t it Horner?


yeah, Horner but that was when he was in his forties.
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22 Nov 2012 21:34

Jason_Mercier wrote:Lol. Wow. Wtf:D


Yep WTF why isn't Machado in there :s damn.
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22 Nov 2012 21:38

Nah, Horner claimed to be the 2nd best climber in the world. Rujano claimed to be the 3rd best, naming Contador and Rodríguez as the top 2. At that point Rodríguez had only just moved from Caisse d'Epargne to Katyusha, so it was seen as crazy from that angle too.

Anyway, guys like Tiernan-Locke and Jelle Vanendert are a bit too classics-styled for me to think of as pure climbers, though I guess you could argue that that makes them little different to Purito.

You can also add André Cardoso, Sergio Pardilla and possibly Dan Martin (again, maybe a bit too much of a classics skillbase).
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