Ryo Hazuki wrote:to up the level of cycling knowledge and understanding, that would be even more dreadful without me
Libertine Seguros wrote:Nah, Horner claimed to be the 2nd best climber in the world. Rujano claimed to be the 3rd best, naming Contador and Rodríguez as the top 2. At that point Rodríguez had only just moved from Caisse d'Epargne to Katyusha, so it was seen as crazy from that angle too.
Anyway, guys like Tiernan-Locke and Jelle Vanendert are a bit too classics-styled for me to think of as pure climbers, though I guess you could argue that that makes them little different to Purito.
RHRH19861986 wrote:If you define "pure climber" as someone who can´t sprint, can´t TT, can´t win a race like Roubaix, then I´d change most names you named. Quintana, Rujano and Pozzovivo can stay.
To add just a few:
All GC guys have to be good in climbing and TT, and in the important stage races, if they recover properly and keep their HCTs up, good climbers suddenly also show good TTs, remember 55-Kilo-Pantani.
RHRH19861986 wrote:Who claimed he was the best climber in the world behind Contador and Rodrigue? Wasn´t it Horner?
Ryo Hazuki wrote:mother of god... people with so little sense of cycling should just not comment
Dazed and Confused wrote:So why are you even on this forum?
Vino attacks everyone wrote:Basso? ........
Dazed and Confused wrote:Will probably be part of Sagan's lead out train in 2013.
Do you want to watch better bike racing? => Team radios (not race radio) must go!
shades1 wrote:in recent years contador and schleck are a mile in front of all these young pretenders and if AS can recover fully from his injury there is still plenty more to come , not that many on this forum will agree as its just a contador love forum and pretty much hatred for schleck .
Jason_Mercier wrote:I think the 2011 Giro D'Italia Rujano was the third best pure climber of the last five years only after Contador and Andy Schleck. In 2007 also Rasmussen was stronger IMO.
Dazed and Confused wrote:well, let us know when you start with the intelligent bits.
Angliru wrote:Actually Horner said behind Contador and Andy Schleck.
Rujano said he was the 3rd best behind Contador and Purito.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:it would be pointless to tell you, as you couldn't see intelligence if it was personified in a naked girl dancing on a wide open field, holding a board with "intelligence" on it
RHRH19861986 wrote:OK, so now that´s interesting.
Hmmm... Horny, is he serious? Well, courageous statement.
Just love this guy. you know the Youtube video where he said he once lost 12 kilograms (kgs!! in one stage of the Tour de France? And his nutrition stories are epic... "I´d kill for McDonalds", "I must avoid to eat during preparing meals", and so on... Great guy!!
Angliru wrote:Horner was riding the high of having snatched the team lead and the race lead from Leipheimer. Adrenalin flowing and all that. Still his claim was actually that Contador was the only one that could drop him, the rest they either can't shake him or he feels (or more accurately 'felt' based on his recent performances) that he can out climb them. He's a funny guy, brilliant tactical mind that reached the big leagues too early and with the wrong team to really show what he could do and then too far past his prime to have displayed what a talent he was. Ultimately politics were his biggest obstacle.
Jason_Mercier wrote:Nice list. Only one thing. IMO Antón is overrated. I think Pierre Rolland is far better and younger. How i can forget Nieve:eek::D
Ryo Hazuki wrote:the 2009 rujano was the best climber I've seen since pantani. in 2011 he was getting better and better until he got sick. but on grossglockner he was already stronger than contador imo. I will never forget etna, rujano realized there that he was even stronger than contador, before that he always thought contador was the best climber in the world.
still for rujano to shine everything must fall in place. especially the weather. he is so vulnerable wth his 48 kg
RHRH19861986 wrote:Yeah, I definitely agree. Actually he lost the best years for a rider of his type after finishing his first European career part in the 90ies.
On the other hand, who knows if he´d still be active with 40+ years if he hadn´t spent five years on the American National Event scene, maybe this "break" now made him fresher for his third career part from 2005.
Angliru wrote:You're right, his time racing domestically likely allowed him to have such a long career, although his attitude about the sport itself is such that he just enjoys riding and racing his bike so it's likely he'd still be racing but maybe the locations would be reversed where he'd maybe closing out his career riding in the states.