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26 Nov 2012 17:06

Ryo Hazuki wrote:with cobbles it is often almost impossible to say.


+1

Look at Chavanel's career path for a perfect example.
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26 Nov 2012 17:30

How about a guy like Tony Gallopin?

I remember him doing well until he had a flat tire in Ronde van Vlaanderen (I think it was, nevertheless).
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26 Nov 2012 17:31

RHRH19861986 wrote:Boasson Hagen, don´t forget.

For everything but P-R, yes. Unfortunately P-R is his main target next year, which is ridiculous. He has no chance there.

He'll probably do reasonably well in RVV, G-W etc though. He would probably have been top 5 in RVV this year without the fall.
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26 Nov 2012 19:11

williamp78 wrote:Did someone suggest Luke Rowe earlier? Not sure i see that one.

Sagan, Phinney and hopefully Thomas could challenge in the future.

Probably a stupid question; but has Tony Martin any chance at PR?


The cobbles don't suit Martin, we likely won't ever see him trying to win any of the cobbled classics. TT's and small tours are more his thing.

cineteq wrote:Phinney should be the BMC leader for PR next year. Hushovd can be plan B, although I think he's time has passed.


Definitely agree that Phinney would be a great leader for BMC for the cobbles. At the moment Hushovd I think would get the leadership based on seniority. But if he can't get it together and show some decent results in any buildup races to Roubaix than it would be smart of BMC to do joint leadership, or even better just give it straight to Phinney.

Or maybe Phinney can go and win it Johan Van Summeren style :D. Then Hushovd can go to another team next season complaining about his lack of support.
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26 Nov 2012 20:00

EBH, Stannard, Phinney and Demare for me seem like they will all be good.

Lithgart will apparently be a leader for Vac in the coobles so i will throw him in. I also hope that Durbridge and Hepburn can do well on them (sheer power, good sprint).

Others could include Keukeleire, Fenn, Blythe (they all have good sprint capabilities).

Moser and Van Rensburg posses the ability but who knows if they will focus on the cobbles.

Can't Ballan be BMC's leader at Roubaix??? I would give him more of a chance of next year podiuming than Phinney.
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26 Nov 2012 20:24

I can see Degenkolb as multiple Roubaix winner.
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26 Nov 2012 20:28

greenedge wrote:EBH, Stannard, Phinney and Demare for me seem like they will all be good.

Lithgart will apparently be a leader for Vac in the coobles so i will throw him in. I also hope that Durbridge and Hepburn can do well on them (sheer power, good sprint).

Others could include Keukeleire, Fenn, Blythe (they all have good sprint capabilities).

Moser and Van Rensburg posses the ability but who knows if they will focus on the cobbles.

Can't Ballan be BMC's leader at Roubaix??? I would give him more of a chance of next year podiuming than Phinney.


Where did you read Ligthart will be a leader for VAC in the cobble races? They have Flecha and Leukemans (And I dont even think Ligthart is number 3 after those 2).
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26 Nov 2012 20:34

greenedge wrote:Can't Ballan be BMC's leader at Roubaix??? I would give him more of a chance of next year podiuming than Phinney.


Yeah, Ballan would be another good leader for BMC (this team is nuts with guys that can contend in the classics :D). If Hushovd doesn't get back into form he may be best choice of leader next year. He should definitely be leader for Flanders. Plus Phinney is still young, I would love to see him be a leader in one of the cobbled classics (eventually I think he will get that opportunity), but he might not get complete leadership for a couple years.
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26 Nov 2012 20:58

Afrank wrote:Or maybe Phinney can go and win it Johan Van Summeren style :D. Then Hushovd can go to another team next season complaining about his lack of support.
That'll be way too funny. :D
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26 Nov 2012 21:15

will10 wrote:+1

Look at Chavanel's career path for a perfect example.


exactly, or cancellara, that as a junior and u23 was a pure itt specialist/short stage races
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26 Nov 2012 21:34

In my case I am really looking forward to seeing Phinney next year. I think he can do a good race in Roubaix 8 and perhaps in Flandes ).
On the other hand it is Sagan´s and Hagen´s time to win a monument.........we´ll see. But Cancellara and Boonen need successors
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26 Nov 2012 21:38

Van Keirsbulck hasn't been mentioned, has he? He's incredible talented. Jasper Stuyven is another one who has a big talent, and I could imagine Bob Jungels developing into a good classics rider.

More well known riders who obviously will be good include Degenkolb, Sagan, Vanmarcke.
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26 Nov 2012 21:53

Ryo Hazuki wrote:exactly, or cancellara, that as a junior and u23 was a pure itt specialist/short stage races


He rode most of his U23 years for Mapei lol.
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26 Nov 2012 22:23

El Pistolero wrote:He rode most of his U23 years for Mapei lol.


so, that is funny?
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26 Nov 2012 22:24

cineteq wrote:Phinney should be the BMC leader for PR next year. Hushovd can be plan B, although I think he's time has passed.


A 22-year old as leader in P-R on a team with two other riders who's podiumed seems a bit off to me.

Old age and treachery shall overcome... especially in P-R.
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26 Nov 2012 22:38

apmfbs wrote:In my case I am really looking forward to seeing Phinney next year. I think he can do a good race in Roubaix 8 and perhaps in Flandes ).
On the other hand it is Sagan´s and Hagen´s time to win a monument.........we´ll see. But Cancellara and Boonen need successors


If they are gonna win a monument coming spring it has to be M-SR.

Canc/Boonen is in a different dimension on the cobbles.

To win in San remo one need an early season form, which necessarily will fade a little for P-R.
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28 Nov 2012 05:41

Ruudz0r wrote:Where did you read Ligthart will be a leader for VAC in the cobble races? They have Flecha and Leukemans (And I dont even think Ligthart is number 3 after those 2).


Sorry i misread this article http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vacansoleil-dcm-go-team-building-in-the-snow

Since all the other riders mentioned are leaders i assumed he would be.
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28 Nov 2012 07:48

Afrank wrote:The cobbles don't suit Martin, we likely won't ever see him trying to win any of the cobbled classics. TT's and small tours are more his thing.


He's a ttist and heavyweight.

That's why Paris-Roubaix should suit him. Just like Cancellara, Hinault, Merckx, Phinney, etc.

If only he could have bothered with it...

Remember this is not a race for "specialists".
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28 Nov 2012 08:46

Echoes wrote:He's a ttist and heavyweight.

That's why Paris-Roubaix should suit him. Just like Cancellara, Hinault, Merckx, Phinney, etc.

If only he could have bothered with it...

Remember this is not a race for "specialists".

You also have to be insanely good technically (which he is not) and extremely tough/fearless when it comes to positioning (which he is not).
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28 Nov 2012 09:04

Did Luke Durbridge ever ride P-R as an U23? He has the size and engine, just not certain about the agression and technical skills. RvV should suit him too.
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