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When we will see the best Andy Schleck one more time?

We will see his best version in 2013.
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It will cost a lot for him. But in 2014 he will be fully recovered.
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Never.
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11 Jul 2013 01:11

To answer this question after yesterday's stage performance: We've seen the best Andy Schleck has to offer - an out and out climber can't challenge for the Tour win anymore.
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11 Jul 2013 01:23

I'd love to see what Sky could do with Andy particularly what Rod Ellingworth, Shane Sutton & Steve Peters could do. If Andy is put in the right structure I think we could see the best in him.
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11 Jul 2013 01:25

darwin553 wrote:To answer this question after yesterday's stage performance: We've seen the best Andy Schleck has to offer - an out and out climber can't challenge for the Tour win anymore.


I humbly disagree, to other contenders in not quite flat tts, in 2009, and 2011, Andy dropped 1:45, and 2:31. Yesterday it was 4:44 to Froome, but only 2:30 to Contador etc. Andy is not so dissimilar to other years, just the goal posts moved. I think Andy can get back to at least 2011 form and challenge for the podium, Froome will have to slow down for anyone else to have a shot at yellow though.
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11 Jul 2013 01:26

karlboss wrote:I humbly disagree, to other contenders in not quite flat tts, in 2009, and 2011, Andy dropped 1:45, and 2:31. Yesterday it was 4:44 to Froome, but only 2:30 to Contador etc. Andy is not so dissimilar to other years, just the goal posts moved. I think Andy can get back to at least 2011 form and challenge for the podium, Froome will have to slow down for anyone else to have a shot at yellow though.


Isn't the podium and the win two different things though? So you're not really disagreeing with me if you are making another point ;)
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11 Jul 2013 01:31

darwin553 wrote:To answer this question after yesterday's stage performance: We've seen the best Andy Schleck has to offer - an out and out climber can't challenge for the Tour win anymore.


Did you think he actually would be able to challenge for the win this year? :confused: His performance in the TT was expected, it was wishful thinking if you were expecting him to do much better then he did.
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11 Jul 2013 01:32

darwin553 wrote:Isn't the podium and the win two different things though? So you're not really disagreeing with me if you are making another point ;)


Correct, I see out and out climber as an Anton, can win the toughest MTF of a GT, but not be in contention for the podium at all. Andy is a little more consistent than that. Which is why I disagreed, that and if Froome weren't in the race I'd regard Andy as having the tools to win.
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11 Jul 2013 01:33

karlboss wrote:Correct, I see out and out climber as an Anton, can win the toughest MTF of a GT, but not be in contention for the podium at all. Andy is a little more consistent than that. Which is why I disagreed, that and if Froome weren't in the race I'd regard Andy as having the tools to win.


Nah Andy's day is done, especially with no brother. Seems to have run out of the mental qualities necessary to put in the hard work that is needed to ride into a high overall GC.
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11 Jul 2013 02:18

darwin553 wrote:Nah Andy's day is done, especially with no brother. Seems to have run out of the mental qualities necessary to put in the hard work that is needed to ride into a high overall GC.


Can't agree. Andy is back to his original level of self confidence in his abilities it's just that his form is still playing catch up. He'll be back to his pre-injury form/elite climbing level in 2014. Of course his ITT will remain his greatest barrier to actually winning a grand tour along with his inability to get motivated for any 3 week race unless it's in France.
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11 Jul 2013 02:21

Angliru wrote:Can't agree. Andy is back to his original level of self confidence in his abilities it's just that his form is still playing catch up. He'll be back to his pre-injury form/elite climbing level in 2014. Of course his ITT will remain his greatest barrier to actually winning a grand tour along with his inability to get motivated for any 3 week race unless it's in France.


Who says he will be back? His form to me is getting worse at this year's tour not better and has been getting worse for the last couple of tours even with his brother by his side. Andy's a one trick pony who only knows how to climb, so he is no better than any other of those climbing Colombians.
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11 Jul 2013 02:29

darwin553 wrote:Who says he will be back? His form to me is getting worse at this year's tour not better and has been getting worse for the last couple of tours even with his brother by his side. Andy's a one trick pony who only knows how to climb, so he is no better than any other of those climbing Colombians.


He's been climbing ten times better this Tour then he has all year and all of last year. How is his form not better?

Can't really say he has been getting worse in the Tour either IMO, 2010 was great, 2011 was a little less so but was still very good due to his Galibier ride. Then 2012 was just a lost year; and this year is about returning to his previous level.
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11 Jul 2013 02:34

Afrank wrote:He's been climbing ten times better this Tour then he has all year and all of last year. How is his form not better?

Can't really say he has been getting worse in the Tour either IMO, 2010 was great, 2011 was a little less so but was still very good due to his Galibier ride. Then 2012 was just a lost year; and this year is about returning to his previous level.


We may have to wait till 2015 then.
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11 Jul 2013 02:39

Maybe, but I have seen good signs coming from him thus far this Tour. I think he could definitely be back to his 2010/2011 levels in 2014.
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11 Jul 2013 03:04

darwin553 wrote:We may have to wait till 2015 then.


He is going to be back at his level. But he will never win any TDF again, especially if the parcours has flat ITT. With his ITT, he needs 4 legs to beat froome in the future. Not to mention, quintana is better ITT than him.
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11 Jul 2013 03:06

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A sabbatical year. The injury. The Frank's positive. Are those facts enough arguments for think that we'll never see the best Andy Schleck version anymore? We have some precedents. The
Basso and Contador returns. Both came back to the top. Not without strain. Is Andy Schleck prepared for a change of mentality? Is Andy Schleck strong enough for work hard
this winter in his recovery?



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11 Jul 2013 03:57

2010 was the best Andy ever but i don't think he has the character to suffer to get back to that level. He needs somebody to push him. 2011 is the level he will achieve. A GC contender but not a winner- Sad:(.
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11 Jul 2013 10:03

darwin553 wrote:To answer this question after yesterday's stage performance: We've seen the best Andy Schleck has to offer - an out and out climber can't challenge for the Tour win anymore.


I also beg to differ - what we saw yesterday was not the best he has to offer, it was an ITT by someone who barely sat on an ITT bike in over a year.

He spent all his time trying to get into decent shape - which he succeeded - he simply didn't train on the ITT bike much at all. Next year it will be a different story. Since he doesn't have to start out from flat zero anymore, he will have to spend less time focusing on elementary things such as achieving a basic fitness level, and can spend more time focusing on on the ITT.
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11 Jul 2013 15:03

Andy has no killer instinct, imo he is a bit of a sissy boy, his brother is not much different either. I have met him and his brother, they are odd to say the very least. That they won't/are unable to race on different teams says a lot about the Schleck brothers mental toughness, there isn't much of it.

Andy can't time trial worth a damn, never has been able to, so his odds of winning any GT is reduced in a very large way. The only time I have seen him win a GT stage is when no one chased him,(TDF) because they knew that in the upcoming ITT he would crumble, and he did, while in the yellow jersey, at a time of his best ever production as a rider. This says it all about Andy Schleck.
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