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15 Jan 2013 11:23

theyoungest wrote:Amstel is harder than the Worlds, if he was in trouble at the Worlds surely he won't contend in Amstel.


Boonen April >>> Boonen September ;)

But yeah, it won't happen anyway.
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15 Jan 2013 11:23

maltiv wrote:That makes my prediction that EBH will win AGR this year at least somewhat realistic :p

I think it might be a good change, makes the race less predictable and increases the number of possible winners. And Gilbert won't get a free victory even if he's on form.

He'll still get dropped before the Cauberg. Amstel Gold is not the Worlds, hello, even Lars Boom got 5th at the Worlds.
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15 Jan 2013 11:24

boonen as a hilly rider is a joke. he already has problems following guys like cancellara and pozzato on hills in flanders, let alone gilbert, sagan and others at amstel
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15 Jan 2013 13:19

Ryo Hazuki wrote:boonen as a hilly rider is a joke. he already has problems following guys like cancellara and pozzato on hills in flanders, let alone gilbert, sagan and others at amstel


The hilly guys also seemed to be struggling following Cancellara on the hills at the WC in 2009. ;)

Granted, Phil's much better now and Boonen won't even peak for the Amstel Gold Race because his races take place earlier.

But I could see Cancellara or even Pozzato win the AGR if they ever made it a goal. ;)

Ps: Gilbert and Sagan also ride the Ronde van Vlaanderen you know. What a silly argument.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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15 Jan 2013 13:23

It wouldn't matter if Boonen peaked for Amstel. He wouldn't be able to follow Gilbert up the Cauberg. Like Ryo says, suffering on the wheel of Pozzato and Ballan doesn't bode well for your chances on the real (non-cobbled) hills.

As for Cancellara... I don't know, he's a bit more versatile.
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15 Jan 2013 13:29

theyoungest wrote:It wouldn't matter if Boonen peaked for Amstel. He wouldn't be able to follow Gilbert up the Cauberg. Like Ryo says, suffering on the wheel of Pozzato and Ballan doesn't bode well for your chances on the real (non-cobbled) hills.

As for Cancellara... I don't know, he's a bit more versatile.


I'm not claiming Boonen could win it though - the Cauberg is too close to the finish.

But does anyone really have a realistic shot at winning against Phil of 2010-2012(the one from the WC)? If he's not in form or crashes beforehand yeah, but other then that?

If the race was the same as in the days of Zabel or Museeuw then yeah, Boonen could definitely win it.

There are also many examples of Cancellara, Pozzato and Ballan struggling to follow Boonen on the hills of course. So Ryo is suffering from what we call a selective memory.

Anyway, I think this is a good route change. I'm a bit worried this will lead to conservative racing before the Cauberg though... AGR just took a step closer in the direction of the 6th Monument. Now the name change. ;)
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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15 Jan 2013 13:37

Cancellara struggling to follow Boonen on a hill? It must be my selective memory...
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15 Jan 2013 13:39

theyoungest wrote:Cancellara struggling to follow Boonen on a hill? It must be my selective memory...


Basically any Ronde van Vlaanderen/E3 Harelbeke edition before 2010.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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15 Jan 2013 13:41

El Pistolero wrote: Anyway, I think this is a good route change. I'm a bit worried this will lead to conservative racing before the Cauberg though... AGR just took a step closer in the direction of the 6th Monument. Now the name change. ;)


Racing can't be more conservative than in the last years, when only the last 10 kilometres saw some action.
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15 Jan 2013 13:44

GP Blanco wrote:Racing can't be more conservative than in the last years, when only the last 10 kilometres saw some action.


Yeah, I'm worried no one will try before the Cauberg now.

And there were lot's of attacks in 2010 by the way.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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15 Jan 2013 15:34

There were news reports soon after the Worlds' that AGR finish line would be moved to Valkenburg .
It makes the race less predictable but winning the Ardennes triple will be a bit harder.
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15 Jan 2013 16:39

El Pistolero wrote:Basically any Ronde van Vlaanderen/E3 Harelbeke edition before 2010.


that's like saying froome can't follow tiralongo in the mountains, because he couldn't before 2011. lol
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15 Jan 2013 16:40

the asian wrote:There were news reports soon after the Worlds' that AGR finish line would be moved to Valkenburg .
It makes the race less predictable but winning the Ardennes triple will be a bit harder.


it doesn't make the race less predictable at all. whoever is strongest on the cauberg wins. only reason they changed the finish is because more space and vip boxes and more money thus
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15 Jan 2013 16:56

Ryo Hazuki wrote:it doesn't make the race less predictable at all. whoever is strongest on the cauberg wins. only reason they changed the finish is because more space and vip boxes and more money thus

Who will they fill the VIP boxes with? Rabobank managers? :o
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15 Jan 2013 17:05

Ryo Hazuki wrote:it doesn't make the race less predictable at all. whoever is strongest on the cauberg wins. only reason they changed the finish is because more space and vip boxes and more money thus


yea,and for Sagan to has better chance for victory:D
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Ryo Hazuki in August 2013 wrote:what? quintana is already better climber than froome. see final stages of the tour and he's only 23. quintana is the best climber I've sene since pantani. he will become a legend
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15 Jan 2013 17:08

theyoungest wrote:He'll still get dropped before the Cauberg. Amstel Gold is not the Worlds, hello, even Lars Boom got 5th at the Worlds.

Yes, by sprinting well after being 25th or so over Cauberg. Not comparable. Anyway, EBH would probably been there for the Cauberg this year if he didn't launch a pointless attack beforehand, which caused him to get dropped on the penultimate hill. So I don't see why you think it's so certain he'd be dropped before Cauberg. After all, he's not that much worse a climber than Freire...

Also, I already said it's an unrealistic prediction, in reality I can't really see how anyone can beat Slagter on this course :p
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15 Jan 2013 17:14

maltiv wrote:Yes, by sprinting well after being 25th or so over Cauberg. Not comparable. Anyway, EBH would probably been there for the Cauberg this year if he didn't launch a pointless attack beforehand, which caused him to get dropped on the penultimate hill. So I don't see why you think it's so certain he'd be dropped before Cauberg. After all, he's not that much worse a climber than Freire...

Also, I already said it's an unrealistic prediction, in reality I can't really see how anyone can beat Slagter on this course :p

I've heard that before, comparing him to Freire. But Freire is the king of endurance, of competing over that distance in a hard race. It's not so much about the climbing as about the engine.

Slagter will have to work for Nordhaug ;)
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15 Jan 2013 19:05

theyoungest wrote:Who will they fill the VIP boxes with? Rabobank managers? :o


Argos Russians.
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15 Jan 2013 19:08

Ryo Hazuki wrote:that's like saying froome can't follow tiralongo in the mountains, because he couldn't before 2011. lol


Unlike Froome and Tiralongo, Cancellara and Boonen are about the same age, competing in the same races and both have already been capable of winning major cobbled classics since the dawn of their career.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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15 Jan 2013 19:27

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Goos: Challenge Mallorca, Tour of Langkawi, Volta a Catalunya + Volta Limburg Classic
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