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08 Dec 2012 22:05

latin riders are not leaders by their nature
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08 Dec 2012 22:09

El Pistolero wrote:There's a difference between not wanting to win and not being able to win. I'd place JVDB in the latter category. If you don't have a killer weapon it's a lot harder to win.


If he races a GT which he'll never win while he has way more chance to win in another GT it makes me doubt his will to win ;) He orgasm while thinking of a podium
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08 Dec 2012 22:09

I think that only Contador has desire to dominate.
Others either don't have desire or ability. Care about individual result.
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08 Dec 2012 22:12

The Hitch wrote:Where do you come.up with this ****? He was talking about being a gt guy way before his giro podium.


Talking about, but he never had fully decided which path he would take.
And this **** was made up by the man himself
The Giro was my main goal of the year but I never spoke about a podium. Now I know I'm a GC rider. In the past, I had different team managers and they all said different things. One said I could become a good classics rider. But the spring classics don't fit me: I'm not the best pilot in the bunch. Now, though, I know what to do: stage races. They will be my main focus in the upcoming years.
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08 Dec 2012 22:13

serfla wrote:Others either don't have desire or ability. Care about individual result.


Well we really don't know if that is the case for the up and coming riders, have not seen enough of them.
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08 Dec 2012 22:14

Miburo wrote:If he races a GT which he'll never win while he has way more chance to win in another GT it makes me doubt his will to win ;) He orgasm while thinking of a podium


He rode the Vuelta last 2 years. He wanted to be good this year in the Vuelta, but he wasn't. Not everyone can do 2 good GTs in a row.

They're not paying him to ride the Giro or Vuelta, he's on a Belgian team.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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08 Dec 2012 22:15

I don't know. very likely no one
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08 Dec 2012 22:17

Froome19 wrote:Talking about, but he never had fully decided which path he would take.
And this **** was made up by the man himself


Before the giro he was talking about vuelta gc being his main aim
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The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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08 Dec 2012 22:18

El Pistolero wrote:He rode the Vuelta last 2 years. He wanted to be good this year in the Vuelta, but he wasn't. Not everyone can do 2 good GTs in a row.

They're not paying him to ride the Giro or Vuelta, he's on a Belgian team.

He did not really go to the Vuelta with a target, more just to prepare for the world champs.
In fact he was not targeting GC whatsoever.
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08 Dec 2012 22:20

Froome19 wrote:He did not really go to the Vuelta with a target, more just to prepare for the world champs.
In fact he was not targeting GC whatsoever.


He didn't ride the WC nor was it a goal for him to get selected. He wanted to test if he could handle 2 GTs in one season. He can't.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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08 Dec 2012 22:22

The Hitch wrote:Before the giro he was talking about vuelta gc being his main aim


I can not know what he was thinking, but I believe the proof that he was capable of accomplishing a podium in a GT meant he decided one and for all he would specialise and become a GT rider.
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08 Dec 2012 22:24

El Pistolero wrote:He didn't ride the WC nor was it a goal for him to get selected. He wanted to test if he could handle 2 GTs in one season. He can't.

He did ride the WC (TTT and ITT)
As the man said himself:
I noted that during this year's Vuelta. I started there without any pressure, which is how I like it. I was there to prepare for the World Championships, a top GC ranking wasn't my goal
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08 Dec 2012 22:25

That's De Gendt, not JVDB lol.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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08 Dec 2012 22:30

El Pistolero wrote:He didn't ride the WC nor was it a goal for him to get selected. He wanted to test if he could handle 2 GTs in one season. He can't.


About VDB (i think), he also can't handle 2 GT's in a row.

So what now? Aiming to be 4th in the tour again?

Don't tell me he believes that he can podium it :eek:
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08 Dec 2012 22:35

JTL
the vinokourov twins
Vino 4ever
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08 Dec 2012 22:41

Froome19 wrote:Well we really don't know if that is the case for the up and coming riders, have not seen enough of them.

Can't see 5 times GT winner amongst up and coming riders.
5 GTs should be good measure of desire 'cause they all (including Contador) have more than 3 years left on a high level, and Contador has already shown he has 5 Bigs in his legs = desire.
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08 Dec 2012 22:42

Miburo wrote:Considering GT's cycling has pretty much dynasties you can say. Merckx, hinault, indurain, (go the clinic) and now Contador.



absolute agree with this, only few rider have the ability to dominate over years

after Contador i predict an interregnum,
riders in the top 10 behind Contador will gets some GT wins, like Sastre, Riis, Zootmelk
can't see the new king yet, who will dominate over the years
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08 Dec 2012 22:44

Dombrowski, Quintana, Pinot I could see becoming a great force in the GT's. Ospina (if what Ryo says about him is true). I would love to see Tejay become a force in GT's.

Of course much of this discussion is speculation, riders that dominate like Merckx or Hinault or Contador are rare.

jens_attacks wrote:the vinokourov twins


Yep, the mini vino's will dominate :D
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08 Dec 2012 23:20

I hope Nairo Quintana .

Tejay Van garderen and Pinot anre good options too, and I would like to seeing Tylor Phiney make a similar improvement to Wiggins , but it is very difficult at the moment to see him in top 10 positions in grand Tours
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09 Dec 2012 00:05

Miburo wrote:About VDB (i think), he also can't handle 2 GT's in a row.

So what now? Aiming to be 4th in the tour again?

Don't tell me he believes that he can podium it :eek:


I believe Lotto's Marc Sergeant said something along the lines of 'He's going to have to get more results.' so I hope they will force him to ride the Giro or something.
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