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09 Dec 2012 16:33

I know De Gendt came third but it's hard for me to take that Giro seriously considering that freaking Ryder Hesjedal won it.
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09 Dec 2012 16:55

LaFlorecita wrote:Omg :o Alberto is one of the most talented riders in the peloton, I simply won't believe froome can beat Alberto when they're both at their best. Froome his equal when it comes to climbing:o, this beats everything and is the most stupid thing I've ever heard


You have to realize that someone who started watching cycling in July 2011 will only have seen Contador crack on Galibier, fail to drop Levi in San Luis and lose mountain after mountain to Purito at the VUelta. In that same time he has seen Froome 2nd the Vuelta and win a stage while domestiquing, and be the best climbr in a Tour de France.

So its not that surprising he thinks Froome is Contadors equal in climbing. Hell he actually deep inside likely thinks that Froome is significantly better at climbing but is afraid to say it that way because these Contador fanboys, who (god knows why) seem to think Contador is this great climber who can drop anyone, will call him an idiot.
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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09 Dec 2012 17:01

El Pistolero wrote:Thomas De Gendt has shown potential for GC because of his podium in the Giro. What potential has Geraint Thomas shown in Roubaix?


He has won the u23 edition and placed 2nd in the Tour de France stage that went over it.

Thomas probably has as good a chance of winning Paris Roubaix as De Gendt has at winning the Tour.

But of course ultranationalistic types who's view of cycling is so clouded by where someone comes from that the metaphorical glasses are for all intents and purposes opaque, will rate one of those significantly higher than the other. Depending where exactly they come from of course.
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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09 Dec 2012 17:06

The Hitch wrote:He has won the u23 edition and placed 2nd in the Tour de France stage that went over it.

Thomas probably has as good a chance of winning Paris Roubaix as De Gendt has at winning the Tour.

But of course ultranationalistic types who's view of cycling is so clouded by where someone comes from that the metaphorical glasses are for all intents and purposes opaque, will rate one of those significantly higher than the other. Depending where exactly they come from of course.


No, he hasn't.

He has finished 64th in his first Roubaix and abandoned in his second Roubaix.

Thomas De Gendt rode with the best on Alpe Dhuez and rode an excellent time trial during his first Tour and finished on the podium in his first Giro while winning a stage on the Stelvio. He also won a climbing stage during the Tour de Suisse, beating Andy Schleck. Though admittedly, that isn't much of an achievement.

How can you even compare the two. :rolleyes:

At least I don't have to make up results. :o

Ps: I don't think Thomas de Gendt will dominate the GTs or win the Tour. I just don't think a 26 year old who finished on the podium in his second GT is too old like some already claimed. 25 years old actually at the time of the Giro.
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09 Dec 2012 17:09

Miburo wrote:Considering GT's cycling has pretty much dynasties you can say. Merckx, hinault, indurain, (go the clinic) and now Contador.

Who do you think will dominate GT's after Contador? Let's say 5 more years Contador and then what?



Speaking of dynasties reminds me of Moreno Moser. He is not of Contador's caliber, but I can easily see him winning a GT in 5-6 years. Contador after Contador? No, my crystal ball doesn't show any name at the moment.
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09 Dec 2012 18:10

El Pistolero wrote:No, he hasn't.

He has finished 64th in his first Roubaix and abandoned in his second Roubaix.

Thomas De Gendt rode with the best on Alpe Dhuez and rode an excellent time trial during his first Tour and finished on the podium in his first Giro while winning a stage on the Stelvio. He also won a climbing stage during the Tour de Suisse, beating Andy Schleck. Though admittedly, that isn't much of an achievement.

How can you even compare the two. :rolleyes:

At least I don't have to make up results. :o

Ps: I don't think Thomas de Gendt will dominate the GTs or win the Tour. I just don't think a 26 year old who finished on the podium in his second GT is too old like some already claimed. 25 years old actually at the time of the Giro.


Junior Paris Roubaix then. He won the junior edition.
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The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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09 Dec 2012 18:30

The Hitch wrote:Junior Paris Roubaix then. He won the junior edition.


Pretty much any pro with any potential used to be amazing with the Juniors.
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09 Dec 2012 18:56

Altitude wrote:His climbing is decent enough for the Tour. A sh!tty route like 2012 for example suits him perfectly.



That was an atypical TDF course designed with Wiggins in mind. You can't just expect that there will be more of that anytime soon. I'd expect the opposite with Rolland and Pinot as the most likely French GC contenders.
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09 Dec 2012 19:13

ILovecycling wrote:Exactly!

@airstream Quintana will be GT leader,thats for sure and when Valverede retires he will have a strong team around him;)


it doesn't make sentence wrong. I prefer potential confirmed with results otherwise we bump into absurd like 'quintana. froome wont be able to improve much'

the Hitch wrote:You have to realize that someone who started watching cycling in July 2011 will only have seen Contador crack on Galibier, fail to drop Levi in San Luis and lose mountain after mountain to Purito at the VUelta. In that same time he has seen Froome 2nd the Vuelta and win a stage while domestiquing, and be the best climbr in a Tour de France.

This scheme of reasoning would have worked perfectly if only guys who started following in 2011 had thought this way.
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09 Dec 2012 19:31

The Hitch wrote:You have to realize that someone who started watching cycling in July 2011 will only have seen Contador crack on Galibier, fail to drop Levi in San Luis and lose mountain after mountain to Purito at the VUelta. In that same time he has seen Froome 2nd the Vuelta and win a stage while domestiquing, and be the best climbr in a Tour de France.

So its not that surprising he thinks Froome is Contadors equal in climbing. Hell he actually deep inside likely thinks that Froome is significantly better at climbing but is afraid to say it that way because these Contador fanboys, who (god knows why) seem to think Contador is this great climber who can drop anyone, will call him an idiot.

Lol..

A couple of facts about me. I never started watching cycling in July 2011.
I watched Tours from 2009..

And Btw do you not realise the ironic nature of your post? :o
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09 Dec 2012 19:36

El Pistolero wrote:No, he hasn't.

He has finished 64th in his first Roubaix and abandoned in his second Roubaix.



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09 Dec 2012 19:48

Froome19 wrote:Lol..

A couple of facts about me. I never started watching cycling in July 2011.
I watched Tours from 2009..

And Btw do you not realise the ironic nature of your post? :o


i like his mentor intonations.

Whats the difference.. a man with a lesser fan experience can easily see deeper sometimes.
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09 Dec 2012 20:14

Contador five years more dominating... WTF? 2007-2017? HAHA
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09 Dec 2012 20:17

Van Garderen and Pinot.
With Dombrowski and Quintana to shake things up in the mountains
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09 Dec 2012 20:26

Altitude wrote:I know De Gendt came third but it's hard for me to take that Giro seriously considering that freaking Ryder Hesjedal won it.


Ahead of some guy called Rodriguez who gave Contador a hell of a fight in the Vuelta.

The "weak field" argument that comes up on this forum incessantly is seriously tiresome. Some people need to twig that the list of top GC men is changing all the time and not every GT has a weak field FFS.
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09 Dec 2012 20:27

Armstrong: 1999-2005. Indurain: 1990-1995. LeMond: 1984-1990 Hinault: 1978- 1985.
Contador 2007- 2017 (ten years) dominating GT's? Not serious. Two years more as much.
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09 Dec 2012 21:14

5 GTs, 3 or more years.
Read more carefully.
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09 Dec 2012 21:30

will10 wrote:Ahead of some guy called Rodriguez who gave Contador a hell of a fight in the Vuelta.

The "weak field" argument that comes up on this forum incessantly is seriously tiresome. Some people need to twig that the list of top GC men is changing all the time and not every GT has a weak field FFS.


Yeah but Hesjedal? Come on.
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09 Dec 2012 21:33

Altitude wrote:Yeah but Hesjedal? Come on.


Ahead of Rodriguez as he said
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09 Dec 2012 21:33

serfla wrote:5 GTs, 3 or more years.
Read more carefully.

" Who do you think will dominate GT's after Contador? Let's say 5 more years Contador and then what? "

READ MORE CAREFULLY.
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