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11 Dec 2012 18:54

cineteq wrote:Katusha releases angry statement regarding WorldTour snub
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/12/news/katusha-releases-angry-statement-regarding-worldtour-snub_268643

According to this fax, financial criterion is the issue, but what exactly? :o
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11 Dec 2012 19:21

cineteq wrote:Katusha releases angry statement regarding WorldTour snub
http://www.katushateam.com/2012/12/official-statement-of-katusha-team/

According to this fax, financial criterion is the issue, but what exactly? :o
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My question is how can a financial criterion be at the basis of the cause, when as far as financial stability goes there should be no problem, given that the money arrives from Gazprom, the world's major extractor of natural gas and Itera, another colossal of the energy sector.

As far as the administrative concern goes, Katusha has thrice changed managers in just as many years. Might there have been some perplexity over this at UCI and Ernst&Young? In any case the focal point could be ethical, since the team is now conducted since October 8 by Viatcheslav Ekimov, once among the most faithful to Lance Armstrong at US Postal and then Discovery. Yet above all among those wearing the Katusha uniform are Denis Menchov, Mikhail Ignatiev, Vladimir Gusev and Alexander Kolobnev, who are cited among those in Benedetto Roberti's Padova doping investigation. In light of USADA, might the UCI simply desire to avert further bad press out of an eventual Padova scenario?
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11 Dec 2012 19:36

Afrank wrote:If Purito left Katusha then I would say Cannondale, BMC, and Lampre would be his best options.





that would be the opposite of a good fit
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11 Dec 2012 19:40

cineteq wrote:Katusha releases angry statement regarding WorldTour snub
http://www.katushateam.com/2012/12/official-statement-of-katusha-team/

According to this fax, financial criterion is the issue, but what exactly? :o
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So.... "money" is now an issue-but isn't KATUSHA one of the teams with the biggest budget in Pro-Cycling? I honestly haven't heard of any delayed payments to riders & staff, or cuts to preserve the team.....

Pat & UCI better come up with a "serious" answer to that BS, otherwise this issue is going to get messy & perhaps could end up in court....
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11 Dec 2012 20:08

rhubroma wrote:Yes. All should be brought to light soon.


uh... that entire case is just about money swerving. and as always a storm in a glass fo water. weren't we going to be told by this already early november? oh those silly italians and their investigations that never come to anything :rolleyes:
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11 Dec 2012 20:22

Ryo Hazuki wrote:uh... that entire case is just about money swerving. and as always a storm in a glass fo water. weren't we going to be told by this already early november? oh those silly italians and their investigations that never come to anything :rolleyes:


Well evidently those silly Italians contributed significantly to the USADA conclusions.
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11 Dec 2012 20:29

Some teams sell flooring, banking or satellite television.
Katusha sells Russia. This is a team like no other.
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11 Dec 2012 20:44

In October of this year UCI stated Katusha had a PT licence for 2013
http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENewsDetails.asp?source=SiteSearch&id=ODc5NA&MenuId=MTI1ODA&CharValList=&CharTextList=&CharFromList=&CharToList=&txtSiteSearch=Katusha&LangId=1

I can see this as a basis for a law suite since a team has a lot of planning to do for the upcoming season.

The UCI is in urgent need of overhaul.
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11 Dec 2012 20:46

"In fact, the only Russian team, where the majority of riders are Russian citizens, has been excluded from participation in races of the World Tour. Thus, this decision of the UCI has suspended Russia as a country from participation in cycling competitions of the highest level."

they piszed them off. i hope mother russia will retaliate big time:

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11 Dec 2012 20:50

rhubroma wrote:Well evidently those silly Italians contributed significantly to the USADA conclusions.


oh yeah in what?
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11 Dec 2012 20:56

I think he's referring to Bileka documents, and few others that I cant remember right now.
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11 Dec 2012 21:05

rhubroma wrote:<snip>...cited among those in Benedetto Roberti's Padova doping investigation. In light of USADA, might the UCI simply desire to avert further bad press out of an eventual Padova scenario?
i doubt THAT was the root cause. if it indeed was the cause, lampre would have been kicked out too coz half the team is on roberti's list.

yet, they got in.

i see only 2 possible reasons (separately or in combination). (i) political (ii) financial.

the political i reckon refers to holzer-the-old-boy replacement by eki-the-noob. the former was actually recommended by the uci when makarov was seeking replacement for tchmil. mcphat never liked tchmil for his political ambitions including the uci presidency. then, there is this lack of trust by the 'traditional' cycling establishment of the encroachment from the east. the old boys did not like holzer's departure.

the financial reason, which is probably just a cover for the political, is likely related to katusha's well known lack of transparency and shady financing. their budget is much bigger than what the uci is let on...
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11 Dec 2012 21:13

avanti wrote:In October of this year UCI stated Katusha had a PT licence for 2013
http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENewsDetails.asp?source=SiteSearch&id=ODc5NA&MenuId=MTI1ODA&CharValList=&CharTextList=&CharFromList=&CharToList=&txtSiteSearch=Katusha&LangId=1

I can see this as a basis for a law suite since a team has a lot of planning to do for the upcoming season.

The UCI is in urgent need of overhaul.

From that page:

for UCI ProTeams that already have a licence – and that rank among the top 15 teams from the sporting point of view – the registration process will be completed by 1st November if no irregularities are brought to notice; files with non-conformities will be passed on to the Licence Commission (article 2.15.011 of the UCI Constitution and Regulations);
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11 Dec 2012 21:22

never a bore, never a snoozefest, our sport
not even in the offseason :p
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11 Dec 2012 21:24

rhubroma wrote:My question is how can a financial criterion be at the basis of the cause, when as far as financial stability goes there should be no problem, given that the money arrives from Gazprom, the world's major extractor of natural gas and Itera, another colossal of the energy sector.

As far as the administrative concern goes, Katusha has thrice changed managers in just as many years. Might there have been some perplexity over this at UCI and Ernst&Young? In any case the focal point could be ethical, since the team is now conducted since October 8 by Viatcheslav Ekimov, once among the most faithful to Lance Armstrong at US Postal and then Discovery. Yet above all among those wearing the Katusha uniform are Denis Menchov, Mikhail Ignatiev, Vladimir Gusev and Alexander Kolobnev, who are cited among those in Benedetto Roberti's Padova doping investigation. In light of USADA, might the UCI simply desire to avert further bad press out of an eventual Padova scenario?


Wouldn't the UCI have the bad press issue with Katusha as a Pro Continental Team? Relegating them to the lower level doesn't diminish the potential bad press IMO.
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11 Dec 2012 22:03

Michele wrote:I think he's referring to Bileka documents, and few others that I cant remember right now.


bileka being italian?
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11 Dec 2012 22:03

woodenswan wrote:never a bore, never a snoozefest, our sport
not even in the offseason :p


the offseason gives us plenty of action, although the live broadcasts might show up...
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11 Dec 2012 22:29

Ryo Hazuki wrote:oh yeah in what?


A number of international money exhanges in Swiss bank accounts. ;)
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11 Dec 2012 22:32

Publicus wrote:Wouldn't the UCI have the bad press issue with Katusha as a Pro Continental Team? Relegating them to the lower level doesn't diminish the potential bad press IMO.


Everything is in light of the gravity of the situation revolving around the Armstrong case, or so it would seem, of which Lampre is not a factor. This appears to be politicized politics. The economic cause seems, therefore, politically motivated.
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11 Dec 2012 22:34

UCI corruption strikes again, SAXO and all questions over them certainly more than Katusha whos backer has been doing stuff UCI did not like.
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