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11 Dec 2012 19:53

Now this is not a thread about who is giving it all to help their leaders (Voigt style), or the best leadout man or, climbing domestique.
This is the thread about the guy in the team that for one reason or another seems very important to the team leader or the team itself, so he gets to take part in the biggest races in the world for no real reason.

Let me start by throwing out a name here: Noval, I mean Jesus Christ, they will use him in the tour once again :D
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11 Dec 2012 19:55

Giovanni Bernaudeau:D
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11 Dec 2012 19:59

Jason_Mercier wrote:Giovanni Bernaudeau:D


Nepotism? .
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11 Dec 2012 20:00

Oh. The mythic french GT racer Benoit Vaugrenard:D Michael Schär. Remi Pauriol...
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11 Dec 2012 20:04

Marco Marzano too.
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11 Dec 2012 20:07

marzano is actually quite good.

I throw sone in:

matthew brammeier, nick gates, jan boven and juraj sagan
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11 Dec 2012 20:15

Ryo Hazuki wrote:marzano is actually quite good.

I throw sone in:

matthew brammeier, nick gates, jan boven and juraj sagan


He WAS good in amateurs.
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11 Dec 2012 20:18

yes, but as a pro he was also a good climber. more than enough results despite a good helper. not as good as amateur obviously but still
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11 Dec 2012 20:47

Team Argos-Shimano with the exception of Degenkolb. :)
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11 Dec 2012 21:00

Le Baroudeur wrote:Team Argos-Shimano with the exception of Degenkolb. :)


Kittel won 13 races this year at .1, .HC or .WT
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11 Dec 2012 21:07

Rasch, for some reason he's good enough for Sky. Also some of those Italians and Eastern Europeans at Lampre and Liquigas. I can't really keep them apart. Longo Borghini, Dall'antonia, Da Dalto, Bono, Righi, Kostyuk, they must all have some unique ability which gets them a contract.
Or can someone explain to me why they're so good in their respective teams? I tend to forget about domestiques and their abilities when they never get results.
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11 Dec 2012 21:28

argyllflyer wrote:Kittel won 13 races this year at .1, .HC or .WT


Somebody has to pickup the scraps that the leading sprinters aren't interested in... :) Even if under protest you don't include Kettle as an average sprinter for "the biggest races in the world" (as per op), that still leaves the rest of the team. :) it also goes to illustrate the importance of 'Team' and as such nature of the thread...
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11 Dec 2012 21:30

Pentacycle wrote:Rasch, for some reason he's good enough for Sky. Also some of those Italians and Eastern Europeans at Lampre and Liquigas. I can't really keep them apart. Longo Borghini, Dall'antonia, Da Dalto, Bono, Righi, Kostyuk, they must all have some unique ability which gets them a contract.
Or can someone explain to me why they're so good in their respective teams? I tend to forget about domestiques and their abilities when they never get results.


Apparently it is because of EBH's contract that says that there shall be another Norwegian. :o
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11 Dec 2012 21:36

Pentacycle wrote:Rasch, for some reason he's good enough for Sky. Also some of those Italians and Eastern Europeans at Lampre and Liquigas. I can't really keep them apart. Longo Borghini, Dall'antonia, Da Dalto, Bono, Righi, Kostyuk, they must all have some unique ability which gets them a contract.
Or can someone explain to me why they're so good in their respective teams? I tend to forget about domestiques and their abilities when they never get results.


the normal domestique should have a high level base and be capable of riding very long season. andy schleck would be absolutely useless as a domestique as his base level is too low and he would be useless for the team on every race where he wasn't on peak form.

it should also be capable of helping his leader keeping a good position on the peloton and he should also be capable of taking the wind for a full day to do it if necessary. this is noval's job and he was very good doing it at last years vuelta.

this ofc for normal domestiques not super doms or or road captains.
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11 Dec 2012 21:45

as an example i give bert grabsch, whom next year will resume his usual job on the htc days. he used to pace the peloton for like the first 100k each day( flat stages only ofc) and keep the the break in check on his own before pulling to the side and letting the rest of the team finish up the job.

it's not a pretty job and it doesn't make the headlines of the news but some1 has to do it, and since big bert with his hilariously gigantic gears could do it on his own i am pretty sure he got a nice paycheck too boost his moral for the next day of 3 hours of riding at the front.
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11 Dec 2012 21:49

Le Baroudeur wrote:Somebody has to pickup the scraps that the leading sprinters aren't interested in... :) Even if under protest you don't include Kettle as an average sprinter for "the biggest races in the world" (as per op), that still leaves the rest of the team. :) it also goes to illustrate the importance of 'Team' and as such nature of the thread...


To be fair, Argos Shimano were not at all big races (18 wildcards out of the 28, and not all of those events were sprinter friendly) so the true judgement of Kittel's abilities will be at the end of 2013. He also beat some good sprinters at Schjeldeprijs and Oman.
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11 Dec 2012 22:16

Vincent Jerome, Danny Pate, Julian Dean comes to my mind

and Noval is NOT an average team mate, he's just some friend of Contador who likes to ride a bike :o

Edit: I'd say Grabsch is a pretty good domestique, not an average one
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11 Dec 2012 22:18

Netserk wrote:Apparently it is because of EBH's contract that says that there shall be another Norwegian. :o

It's no surprise if his agent did get that into his contract, considering how EBH's agent is the manager of Team Joker-Merida as well as several individual Norwegians, including Rasch. His primary goal is to get more Norwegians into the professional scene and adding that part to the contract helps his mission. Still, judging purely by performances they should have brought Vegard Stake Laengen instead, who's both young and reasonably talented (4th in l'Avenir).

Anyway, Rasch is indeed a good example of an "average teammate". Except from his impressive P-R in 2010 he has never done much. However, he is probably valued due to other abilities: motivating others, tactical knowledge (he is an expert in cross-winds) and generally being well-liked.

And most importantly, he designed the amazing Gabba jacket for Castelli :D
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11 Dec 2012 22:22

burning wrote:Vincent Jerome, Danny Pate, Julian Dean comes to my mind

and Noval is NOT an average team mate, he's just some friend of Contador who likes to ride a bike :o


Vincent Jerome was in the favourites group in the ascent of Galibier (Telegráphe) TDF 2011:) Hes a SUPER-DOM:D
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11 Dec 2012 22:25

Pentacycle wrote:Rasch, for some reason he's good enough for Sky. Also some of those Italians and Eastern Europeans at Lampre and Liquigas. I can't really keep them apart. Longo Borghini, Dall'antonia, Da Dalto, Bono, Righi, Kostyuk, they must all have some unique ability which gets them a contract.
Or can someone explain to me why they're so good in their respective teams? I tend to forget about domestiques and their abilities when they never get results.


Well, Bono won a stage in the vuelta 10' i think (or 11'?) So he must have dome qualities, but i agree, its not very often that vi get to see it or hear about it.
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