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01 Dec 2016 07:22

I think the new Arthurs Seat cable car has made the race logistics a challenge.

Anyway, looking forward to the Victorian based races, I'll be driving at Nationals, Cadel's and Sun Tour again this year.
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01 Dec 2016 08:07

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swuzzlebubble wrote:https://cyclingtips.com/2016/12/chris-froome-to-start-his-2017-season-in-australia/

The Sun Tour in particular is shaping up as a thrilling contest with Chaves and Froome set to headline and organisers today revealing an exciting new course. The race will again begin with a 2.1km prologue time trial in the heart of Melbourne, before making the trek to north-east Victoria for stage 1. Starting in the rural centre of Wangaratta, the stage will go over the popular Tawonga Gap climb, before finishing with a 26km ascent towards Falls Creek (the stage will finish just before the summit).

Stage 2 starts in Mount Beauty and features a tough 10km climb to Stanley, before finishing with a 9km descent into Beechworth. Stage 3 will be the only chance for the sprinters, with a largely flat stage from Benalla to the Mitchelton Winery.

The Sun Tour’s popular race-ending summit finish at Arthurs Seat is gone in 2017, having been replaced with a circuit around the town of Kinglake, sure to be well attended on the Sunday by Melbourne’s many cyclists and cycling fans.


Good to see the Sun Tour using more of the wonderful parcours available in Victoria, this years route was brilliant and knowing the roads laid out for next years route it should be another good edition. Climbing the Tawonga Gap followed by Falls Creek is an ambitious mountain stage for an early season race but certainly plays to the strengths of the 2 big draw cards in Froome and Chaves, they are climbing the steep side of Tawonga and Falls doesn't look that hard on paper but the changing gradients does hurt the legs (no idea why they aren't going to the summit). That stage 2 descent into Beechworth is fast so good chance for someone to go full gas and create a gap. The final stage looks like fun, not as good for the roadside fans as Arthur's Seat but it's good to see this event go to Kinglake and hopefully can bring in some much needed tourist dollars to the area which is still recovering from the 2009 bushfires, the Glenburn climb isn't that hard but that circuit has no flats spots so should get raced pretty hard. It's good to see the Sun Tour drawing some big name riders again and gaining prestige as in my opinion it's Australia's best stage race.


Agree. Great to see it back in Alpine country. A Herald-Sun Tour without an ascent of a proper mountain never seemed right to me.
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01 Dec 2016 13:29

More interested in how the young climber type OBE riders like Haig and Power perform, as well as other young Aussie riders - I wonder if DD and Cannondale will send a team.
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01 Dec 2016 14:23

yaco wrote:More interested in how the young climber type OBE riders like Haig and Power perform, as well as other young Aussie riders - I wonder if DD and Cannondale will send a team.


Both Haig and Power are good bets to start the season in Oz, I'd like to see Haig at the Sun Tour with those parcours given a shot at leadership but that all depends on how ready to race Chaves is, Power would be a good shot to be racing both the Victorian races but that's just a guess at best. I fully expect Cannondale to be racing the Sun Tour and the Cuddles road race with the Drapac connection, also having 3 Oz riders and 2 Kiwi's helps, on a side not Brendan Canty has the KOM on the Glenburn climb https://www.strava.com/segments/832088 which will be used on the Kinglake circuit stage and he's been training a up that way a fair bit lately.
I'm also keen to see if Giant take Hamilton to the TDU, he could be a good shot to take the best young rider jersey
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01 Dec 2016 23:55

StryderHells wrote:
yaco wrote:More interested in how the young climber type OBE riders like Haig and Power perform, as well as other young Aussie riders - I wonder if DD and Cannondale will send a team.


Both Haig and Power are good bets to start the season in Oz, I'd like to see Haig at the Sun Tour with those parcours given a shot at leadership but that all depends on how ready to race Chaves is, Power would be a good shot to be racing both the Victorian races but that's just a guess at best. I fully expect Cannondale to be racing the Sun Tour and the Cuddles road race with the Drapac connection, also having 3 Oz riders and 2 Kiwi's helps, on a side not Brendan Canty has the KOM on the Glenburn climb https://www.strava.com/segments/832088 which will be used on the Kinglake circuit stage and he's been training a up that way a fair bit lately.
I'm also keen to see if Giant take Hamilton to the TDU, he could be a good shot to take the best young rider jersey

Pat's Veg are racing SunTour so does that count out Cannondale?

http://www.slipstreamsports.com/2016/11/30/drapac-pats-veg-announces-roster-for-2017/
The team, made up of university students from all around Australia, will start the season at The 2017 Mars Cycling Australia Road National Championships in January before racing at Australia’s oldest stage race, the UCI 2.2-ranked Jayco Herald Sun Tour in February.
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08 Dec 2016 02:57

StryderHells wrote:
swuzzlebubble wrote:https://cyclingtips.com/2016/12/chris-froome-to-start-his-2017-season-in-australia/

The Sun Tour in particular is shaping up as a thrilling contest with Chaves and Froome set to headline and organisers today revealing an exciting new course. The race will again begin with a 2.1km prologue time trial in the heart of Melbourne, before making the trek to north-east Victoria for stage 1. Starting in the rural centre of Wangaratta, the stage will go over the popular Tawonga Gap climb, before finishing with a 26km ascent towards Falls Creek (the stage will finish just before the summit).

Stage 2 starts in Mount Beauty and features a tough 10km climb to Stanley, before finishing with a 9km descent into Beechworth. Stage 3 will be the only chance for the sprinters, with a largely flat stage from Benalla to the Mitchelton Winery.

The Sun Tour’s popular race-ending summit finish at Arthurs Seat is gone in 2017, having been replaced with a circuit around the town of Kinglake, sure to be well attended on the Sunday by Melbourne’s many cyclists and cycling fans.


Good to see the Sun Tour using more of the wonderful parcours available in Victoria, this years route was brilliant and knowing the roads laid out for next years route it should be another good edition. Climbing the Tawonga Gap followed by Falls Creek is an ambitious mountain stage for an early season race but certainly plays to the strengths of the 2 big draw cards in Froome and Chaves, they are climbing the steep side of Tawonga and Falls doesn't look that hard on paper but the changing gradients does hurt the legs (no idea why they aren't going to the summit). That stage 2 descent into Beechworth is fast so good chance for someone to go full gas and create a gap. The final stage looks like fun, not as good for the roadside fans as Arthur's Seat but it's good to see this event go to Kinglake and hopefully can bring in some much needed tourist dollars to the area which is still recovering from the 2009 bushfires, the Glenburn climb isn't that hard but that circuit has no flats spots so should get raced pretty hard. It's good to see the Sun Tour drawing some big name riders again and gaining prestige as in my opinion it's Australia's best stage race.

Falls Creek from Mt Beauty isn't super hard, but long (24 kms) with some downhill in the first quarter. There's some steep pinches to work with and the top is at around 1700 metres if they go all the way to the end of the ski resort.

The weather should be mild on the climb, even in January, with low 20's and even high teens toward the top.
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08 Dec 2016 13:36

Gerrans confirmed for the Herald Sun Tour - A busy summer for Gerrans with the Nationals, TDU, Cadel Evans Race and the Herald-Sun Tour.
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08 Dec 2016 14:54

Thomas and Viviani will head to the TDU.
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08 Dec 2016 15:07

Thomas is a perennial at the TDU - Likes the racing and training available and it works for him - And he gets to watch some cricket.
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08 Dec 2016 17:12

yaco wrote:Thomas is a perennial at the TDU - Likes the racing and training available and it works for him - And he gets to watch some cricket.


Viviani and Ewan should be a fun sprint matchup as well.
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08 Dec 2016 18:29

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yaco wrote:Thomas is a perennial at the TDU - Likes the racing and training available and it works for him - And he gets to watch some cricket.


Viviani and Ewan should be a fun sprint matchup as well.


Viviani is very fast but a bit fragile like Ewan - I can see the honors being split - Just hope that Ewan only does the Cadel Evans Race and the TDU - Forget Bay Crits and Herald Sun Tour.
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08 Dec 2016 22:02

yaco wrote:
MatParker117 wrote:
yaco wrote:Thomas is a perennial at the TDU - Likes the racing and training available and it works for him - And he gets to watch some cricket.


Viviani and Ewan should be a fun sprint matchup as well.


Viviani is very fast but a bit fragile like Ewan - I can see the honors being split - Just hope that Ewan only does the Cadel Evans Race and the TDU - Forget Bay Crits and Herald Sun Tour.


WHY ????

Wouldn't it be smarter to maximise his market value with a swag of cheap early season wins ..... then surreptitiously "put him on the market" ?

The earlier OBE rids themselves of such an incompatible "list clogger" ... the better !!
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08 Dec 2016 23:38

With both Chaves & Gerrans "on deck" and presumably granted "dual leadership" for the 3 major AUS summer races; it now renders up some interesting selection calls for the remaining slots for these races; particularly with regards to the likes of Haig, Power and maybe Howson.

Howson was granted his chance of leadership at last year's HST netting a 3rd on GC. Given his growing rep as Chaves' right-hand man, his race schedule is most likely to mirror the little guys giving him few other opportunities for himself. Will be interested to see where he opens his season, and with Kreuziger coming on board, whether OBE diversify/switch support around to a degree with Kreuziger gaining some race familiarity with Chaves and Howson with the Yates.

With Power losing the majority of his neo-pro year, its likely OBE will seek to put some race miles into his legs. Maybe, at one of these AUS races they may give him some licence to go "up the road" at some point. With Haig, it may be the case that he is given a certain degree of freedom at one of the races but the prime focus being developing his relationship/understanding with Chaves.
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09 Dec 2016 01:20

I suspect Gerro will have nationals as his prime target
And SunTour climbs to be too selective for him
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09 Dec 2016 03:46

dirkprovin wrote:With both Chaves & Gerrans "on deck" and presumably granted "dual leadership" for the 3 major AUS summer races; it now renders up some interesting selection calls for the remaining slots for these races; particularly with regards to the likes of Haig, Power and maybe Howson.

Howson was granted his chance of leadership at last year's HST netting a 3rd on GC. Given his growing rep as Chaves' right-hand man, his race schedule is most likely to mirror the little guys giving him few other opportunities for himself. Will be interested to see where he opens his season, and with Kreuziger coming on board, whether OBE diversify/switch support around to a degree with Kreuziger gaining some race familiarity with Chaves and Howson with the Yates.

With Power losing the majority of his neo-pro year, its likely OBE will seek to put some race miles into his legs. Maybe, at one of these AUS races they may give him some licence to go "up the road" at some point. With Haig, it may be the case that he is given a certain degree of freedom at one of the races but the prime focus being developing his relationship/understanding with Chaves.


Haig was super impressive in year one - Lots of race days and possibly over-raced and managed to finish a grand tour and contributed as well - My guess is two of Haig, Power and Howson will ride the Sun Tour - TDU is a different kettle of fish, especially seeing no Hayman this year - We know Chavez,Ewan and Gerrans are riding - I understand Hepburn and Edmondson are racing - Could they call Albasini down again for TDU

Chavez will disappear to Colombia for rest,training and the National Championship after the Herald Sun Tour, so he won't be around for February and most of March - Matching riders is a bit of an issue at the moment, as GC targets are yet to be finalised - It's the old scenario where riders have their targets which are at odds with sponsor requirements - The only thing set in stone is Kreuzeger being a super domestique at the TDF.
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09 Dec 2016 08:07

yaco wrote:
dirkprovin wrote:With both Chaves & Gerrans "on deck" and presumably granted "dual leadership" for the 3 major AUS summer races; it now renders up some interesting selection calls for the remaining slots for these races; particularly with regards to the likes of Haig, Power and maybe Howson.

Howson was granted his chance of leadership at last year's HST netting a 3rd on GC. Given his growing rep as Chaves' right-hand man, his race schedule is most likely to mirror the little guys giving him few other opportunities for himself. Will be interested to see where he opens his season, and with Kreuziger coming on board, whether OBE diversify/switch support around to a degree with Kreuziger gaining some race familiarity with Chaves and Howson with the Yates.

With Power losing the majority of his neo-pro year, its likely OBE will seek to put some race miles into his legs. Maybe, at one of these AUS races they may give him some licence to go "up the road" at some point. With Haig, it may be the case that he is given a certain degree of freedom at one of the races but the prime focus being developing his relationship/understanding with Chaves.


Haig was super impressive in year one - Lots of race days and possibly over-raced and managed to finish a grand tour and contributed as well - My guess is two of Haig, Power and Howson will ride the Sun Tour - TDU is a different kettle of fish, especially seeing no Hayman this year - We know Chavez,Ewan and Gerrans are riding - I understand Hepburn and Edmondson are racing - Could they call Albasini down again for TDU

Chavez will disappear to Colombia for rest,training and the National Championship after the Herald Sun Tour, so he won't be around for February and most of March - Matching riders is a bit of an issue at the moment, as GC targets are yet to be finalised - It's the old scenario where riders have their targets which are at odds with sponsor requirements - The only thing set in stone is Kreuzeger being a super domestique at the TDF.


Re Haig's being "over-raced" in 2016. Maybe ?? Maybe not ?? I think the total days were blown out by him completing the entire Vuelta. Again, that was a call with arguments either way. Are we pushing him too hard as against the experience gained of being a part of a GC campaign and playing a role in key team strategic moves. Again, whilst surviving full distance is endurance on its own; he was NOT being called upon for day-in/day-out flogging himself to a stand-still. Also he is 23 (only a year younger than Howson & YatesX2) rather than 21 like Power so his relative physical maturity may have been taken into account. The answer, no doubt, will be seen in how he backs up in 2017.

Agree Kreuziger will go to Tour, no matter the leader & Chaves unlikely to resurface until sometime in April. Your comment re sponsors wishes could be read any number of ways. Orica HASN'T, to any public knowledge, ever made any such demands but are departing. IS the new title sponsor "locked in" (but not announced) but already making their views known OR is the team looking at the TDF as the vital shop-window to snag a new deal ?
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That looks like a very decent pre season race.

Has their been highlights of the race in the past?
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09 Dec 2016 16:51

dirkprovin wrote:
yaco wrote:
dirkprovin wrote:With both Chaves & Gerrans "on deck" and presumably granted "dual leadership" for the 3 major AUS summer races; it now renders up some interesting selection calls for the remaining slots for these races; particularly with regards to the likes of Haig, Power and maybe Howson.

Howson was granted his chance of leadership at last year's HST netting a 3rd on GC. Given his growing rep as Chaves' right-hand man, his race schedule is most likely to mirror the little guys giving him few other opportunities for himself. Will be interested to see where he opens his season, and with Kreuziger coming on board, whether OBE diversify/switch support around to a degree with Kreuziger gaining some race familiarity with Chaves and Howson with the Yates.

With Power losing the majority of his neo-pro year, its likely OBE will seek to put some race miles into his legs. Maybe, at one of these AUS races they may give him some licence to go "up the road" at some point. With Haig, it may be the case that he is given a certain degree of freedom at one of the races but the prime focus being developing his relationship/understanding with Chaves.


Haig was super impressive in year one - Lots of race days and possibly over-raced and managed to finish a grand tour and contributed as well - My guess is two of Haig, Power and Howson will ride the Sun Tour - TDU is a different kettle of fish, especially seeing no Hayman this year - We know Chavez,Ewan and Gerrans are riding - I understand Hepburn and Edmondson are racing - Could they call Albasini down again for TDU

Chavez will disappear to Colombia for rest,training and the National Championship after the Herald Sun Tour, so he won't be around for February and most of March - Matching riders is a bit of an issue at the moment, as GC targets are yet to be finalised - It's the old scenario where riders have their targets which are at odds with sponsor requirements - The only thing set in stone is Kreuzeger being a super domestique at the TDF.


Re Haig's being "over-raced" in 2016. Maybe ?? Maybe not ?? I think the total days were blown out by him completing the entire Vuelta. Again, that was a call with arguments either way. Are we pushing him too hard as against the experience gained of being a part of a GC campaign and playing a role in key team strategic moves. Again, whilst surviving full distance is endurance on its own; he was NOT being called upon for day-in/day-out flogging himself to a stand-still. Also he is 23 (only a year younger than Howson & YatesX2) rather than 21 like Power so his relative physical maturity may have been taken into account. The answer, no doubt, will be seen in how he backs up in 2017.

Agree Kreuziger will go to Tour, no matter the leader & Chaves unlikely to resurface until sometime in April. Your comment re sponsors wishes could be read any number of ways. Orica HASN'T, to any public knowledge, ever made any such demands but are departing. IS the new title sponsor "locked in" (but not announced) but already making their views known OR is the team looking at the TDF as the vital shop-window to snag a new deal ?


Sponsors always have a say in team selection for big events - Next stage for OBE is a podium at the TDF which is a difficult task. Chaves is more likely than the Yates brothers to achieve this in 2017 - Or do you balance this against Chaves getting a podium with some chance of a victory at the Giro - And you balance this against the 3 GC riders having specific GC preferences which are complimentary to each other - Difficult decisions !

My understanding is contrary to common opinion, OBE don't have a new title sponsor locked in for 2018 and 2019 - We can say the title sponsor is nearly locked in.
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