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Better overall rider

Cadel Evans
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Alberto Contador
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Total votes : 154

15 Dec 2012 09:59

the asian wrote:[/B]

But doesn't have the palmares to show it.


I think the World's and the Fleche and stage wins on relatively flat stages have to count for something. I don't think he is better than Contador just more versatile and if Contador was more confident he probably would ride the classics more often. I don't deny Contador's qualities in grand tours. But you are right about the palmares. Evans has plenty of top 10 finishes in classics and a huge help to Gilbert in a few of his wins but I think Evan's fans would have liked to see have seen him maybe miss the early spring stage races and attack the Ardennes classics more seriously because he was always suited to those races.
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15 Dec 2012 10:13

calinmarian wrote:Contador is a better rider than Cadel Evans because Cadel when someone attacks on a climb,he is already on that wheel and stays there.And in the 2013 Tour he will have no chance against Contador and Froome.

Firstly, I already acknowledged Alberto was the better climber. We are not judging the vote on simply just climbing. Secondly, why would you judge this contest just on the 2013 Tour?
Miburo wrote:Yeah indeed Evans didn't have the legs as often as Contador, why would that be? Maybe cause he's better lol

Contador can also win classics like Evans. Contador just has a bigger chance in GT's than Evans thus he focuses more on that. Evans has a way better sprint though.

In TT they're equal at their best. No way Evans is better.

I can't believe some many people voted for Evans. This is Contador we're talking about.

Btw Contador is 5 years younger. Doesn't anyone think you've to keep that in mind?;)
I was referring to Mountain stages and some of those races where he couldn't attack were in races where Alberto was not even competing (i.e. 2008 Tdf). Your final sentence also summarises the futility of your post. How could you possibly consider Alberto being 5 years younger and what is to come? We don't know what Alberto will do and that is pure speculation.
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15 Dec 2012 10:20

There's more to being a cyclist than just climbing and time-trialling. I reckon Evans is a better descender than Contador (though there isn't much difference there), and has been mentioned earlier, he's better on the cobbles and on hills.

I'd still be inclined to go with Contador, though.
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15 Dec 2012 10:42

Afrank wrote:Yep, it's the off season.

The answer is Contador. The only thing Evans is better at is short uphill sprints, like we see in the classics. And Contador is still pretty close to him there. Plus results-wise 7 GT's beats 1 GT, 1 Fleche Wallone, and 1 World RR.


Evans beat contador by a nose hair in the tdf sprint on that uphill stage in 2011. Contador was coming off the giro while Evans was in the form of his.life.

Also look.at the short climbs in short stage races where.Contador has excelled like mende where he won twice, and also flew away from sanchez and schleck as if they were sprinters in the tdf 2 years ago. And samu and schleck are 2 of the best hill riders in the world.

Contador is one of the best at hills, just that with his mountain and tt skills, he rarely focuses on it.
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The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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15 Dec 2012 10:47

The Hitch wrote:Evans beat contador by a nose hair in the tdf sprint on that uphill stage in 2011. Contador was coming off the giro while Evans was in the form of his.life.

Also look.at the short climbs in short stage races where.Contador has excelled like mende where he won twice, and also flew away from sanchez and schleck as if they were sprinters in the tdf 2 years ago. And samu and schleck are 2 of the best hill riders in the world.

Contador is one of the best at hills, just that with his mountain and tt skills, he rarely focuses on it.


Evans beat Contador when Evans lead out in the sprint in a headwind uphill finish. Contador coming off the Giro would have very minimal effect on the way he sprints in a hilly stage in the 1st week of the Tour.
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15 Dec 2012 10:50

Alphabet wrote:I reckon Evans is a better descender than Contador (though there isn't much difference there), and has been mentioned earlier, he's better on the cobbles and on hills.
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How do you know this?
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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15 Dec 2012 10:53

The Hitch wrote:How do you know this?


The stage in 2010 tdf. I would guess that Evans would be better on the cobbles than Contador, but judging it outright on one stage would be unfair.
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15 Dec 2012 10:53

auscyclefan94 wrote:Evans beat Contador when Evans lead out in the sprint in a headwind uphill finish. Contador coming off the Giro would have very minimal effect on the way he sprints in a hilly stage in the 1st week of the Tour.


If fatigue and form have no.impact on uphill sprinting then why did Gilbert suck so.much this year? By your logic since form doesn't matter, how did.Phil go from winning agr by a mile to.failing to.make the podium?
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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15 Dec 2012 10:55

The Hitch wrote:If fatigue and form have no.impact on uphill sprinting then why did Gilbert suck so.much this year? By your logic since form doesn't matter, how did.Phil go from winning agr by a mile to.failing to.make the podium?


He was taken down by the right wing political machine my friend
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15 Dec 2012 10:57

auscyclefan94 wrote:The stage in 2010 tdf. I would guess that Evans would be better on the cobbles than Contador, but judging it outright on one stage would be unfair.


Lets bare in mind that in the 2010 stage Andy schleck finished in the same group as Evans and then proceeded to cry that he should never have to ride over those things again.

We know that the rest of the peloton was delayed by the frank crash. We have no idea if Evans hejsdal and schleck were actually superior cobbles specialists than people who finished behind, like for example flecha.
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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15 Dec 2012 11:04

The Hitch wrote:If fatigue and form have no.impact on uphill sprinting then why did Gilbert suck so.much this year? By your logic since form doesn't matter, how did.Phil go from winning agr by a mile to.failing to.make the podium?


Gilbert simply wasn't good enough this year. I really don't see how fatigue would have played a difference in a 250m sprint to the finish. Amstel Gold Race is also far different to a stage race.

The Hitch wrote:Lets bare in mind that in the 2010 stage Andy schleck finished in the same group as Evans and then proceeded to cry that he should never have to ride over those things again.

We know that the rest of the peloton was delayed by the frank crash. We have no idea if Evans hejsdal and schleck were actually superior cobbles specialists than people who finished behind, like for example flecha.


They certainly were not. That is simply incorrect. Watch the footage. The split at the front of the race was already moving away at that point.
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15 Dec 2012 11:04

The Hitch wrote:Lets bare in mind that in the 2010 stage Andy schleck finished in the same group as Evans and then proceeded to cry that he should never have to ride over those things again.

We know that the rest of the peloton was delayed by the frank crash. We have no idea if Evans hejsdal and schleck were actually superior cobbles specialists than people who finished behind, like for example flecha.


Lol, only you on this forum came to such marasm like to equate bales and cobblestone stage. Race theory is attached for this case too? :p
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15 Dec 2012 11:05

The Hitch wrote:Lets bare in mind that in the 2010 stage Andy schleck finished in the same group as Evans and then proceeded to cry that he should never have to ride over those things again.

So maybe Andy is better than Contador on the cobbles as well ;)
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15 Dec 2012 11:06

The Hitch wrote:Evans beat contador by a nose hair in the tdf sprint on that uphill stage in 2011. Contador was coming off the giro while Evans was in the form of his.life.

Also look.at the short climbs in short stage races where.Contador has excelled like mende where he won twice, and also flew away from sanchez and schleck as if they were sprinters in the tdf 2 years ago. And samu and schleck are 2 of the best hill riders in the world.

Contador is one of the best at hills, just that with his mountain and tt skills, he rarely focuses on it.


On the sprints Evans is much better. Contador is quite a poor sprinter in the grand scheme of things.As for hills I would tend to agree that Contador is as good as most of the top guys including Evans, but as you mentioned he just doesn't focus on the classics as even though he is so good he is still not an out right favourite like he is in stage races. He can't punch out of hills like Evans can so I would back Evans in a classic over Contador for that reason. Also finishes like those you tend to get at Tirreno that require the punch after the climb.

To be honest Mende is a more of a proper climb than a hill and he has won there during stage races where recovery and fatigue are factors. In terms of recovery Contador is the best of the two, far less off days than Evans in stages races.
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15 Dec 2012 11:12

Hitch, don't overpaint. Contador was on a very very big chunk of form of his life too.
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15 Dec 2012 11:21

auscyclefan94 wrote:They certainly were not. That is simply incorrect. Watch the footage. The split at the front of the race was already moving away at that point.


The crash split everything apart and the cobbles were just starting. Contador was behind cause of bad positioning.

Commentator says "As they came on to the cobblestones."

Contador was delayed with the crash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKihoE5hqe8

Look at 3:33. The 2nd guy above the yellow jersey is Contador. He completely lost his speed.
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15 Dec 2012 11:23

Evans was coming off the Giro in 2010 :D

Evans isn't actually a sprinter, it's more his incredible power over 1-2 minutes. The same attribute which makes him able to win in Macerata or Huy is what makes it possible to win flatter finishes like in Montalcino and Saint-Vallier.
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15 Dec 2012 11:33

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15 Dec 2012 11:39



no problem. Evans was not in top shape. :D
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15 Dec 2012 11:40

airstream wrote:no problem. Evans was not in top shape. :D


Contador aswell. His topshape was paris-nice ;)

Yeah I know he didn't win it :rolleyes:
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