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Better overall rider

Cadel Evans
34
22%
Alberto Contador
120
78%
 
Total votes : 154

15 Dec 2012 21:00

airstream wrote:for what your polles are created then. Need extra self-actualization? toughest, smartest, strongest ---> others have no chance. Do you really need any polls, having your special mental toughness meter?

ah, Contador is for kids... :D


I'm giving you some bait to troll, that's why ;)
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15 Dec 2012 21:02

Miburo wrote:I'm giving you some bait to troll, that's why ;)


Trolling is an exclusive patrimony of Contador fanboys who write using principle 'I see what I like and I don't what to know anything I dislike'. I'm just a peaceful outsider..
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15 Dec 2012 21:07

airstream wrote:Trolling is an exclusive patrimony of Contador fanboys who write using principle 'I see what I like and I don't what to know anything I dislike'. I'm just a peaceful outsider..


Well man that profile pic of yours is annoying after all :rolleyes:
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15 Dec 2012 21:11

CAS aside, Contador has almost as many GT wins as Evans has GT fails.
Cuddles's time trialing is way overrated, here, presumably the memory of the 2011 Tour and all that.

A better one day rider, but that's about it.

Hadn't realised the forum has nearly 20 Aussie members.
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15 Dec 2012 21:14

Mellow Velo wrote:
Hadn't realised the forum has nearly 20 Aussie members.

...See Sky thread;)
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15 Dec 2012 21:34

Mellow Velo wrote:CAS aside, Contador has almost as many GT wins as Evans has GT fails.
Cuddles's time trialing is way overrated, here, presumably the memory of the 2011 Tour and all that.

A better one day rider, but that's about it.

Hadn't realised the forum has nearly 20 Aussie members.


Yeah, people here tend to be stuck on certain memories of more recent events. I agree with your conclusion, he's a better one day rider and it would be a toss-up between them on a short uphill finish, but that's about it.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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15 Dec 2012 21:39

Tom375 wrote:...Born?
He was created....TBC


I disagree. He must've been born with something. I wonder what makes you think he was created (well obviously he was :rolleyes:)
"The second place is not good."
The great Alberto Contador :p
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15 Dec 2012 22:19

El Pistolero wrote:Yeah, people here tend to be stuck on certain memories of more recent events.


More recent things have decisive affect on estimation of strength and it is reliable, no?
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15 Dec 2012 22:41

El Pistolero wrote:Yeah, people here tend to be stuck on certain memories of more recent events..


Well tbh I would rather judge Bradley Wiggins on his 2012 performances than his 2009 performances..Same goes for Purito and a host of other riders..
El Pistolero wrote: Gratz to Cav.
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15 Dec 2012 22:43

Froome19 wrote:Well tbh I would rather judge Bradley Wiggins on his 2012 performances than his 2009 performances..Same goes for Purito and a host of other riders..


If you're judging someone's overall capabilities you have to look at every year of his pro career.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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15 Dec 2012 22:44

El Pistolero wrote:If you're judging someone's overall capabilities you have to look at every year of his pro career.


True, but some years drastically more than others..
El Pistolero wrote: Gratz to Cav.
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15 Dec 2012 22:57

Froome19 wrote:True, but some years drastically more than others..


Being consistent over many years is much more impressive than one good year. I can assure you that.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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15 Dec 2012 23:00

El Pistolero wrote:Being consistent over many years is much more impressive than one good year. I can assure you that.


Totally irrelevant in this case though. It is not like Wiggins has been consistent over many years, but I take his form on face value..
El Pistolero wrote: Gratz to Cav.
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15 Dec 2012 23:02

Froome19 wrote:Totally irrelevant in this case though. It is not like Wiggins has been consistent over many years, but I take his form on face value..


I fail to see how it's irrelevant? Wiggins won in a year without Contador, Andy Schleck and Samuel Sanchez. His biggest threat was his own team-mate for crying out loud.

In the time trials, both Cancellara and Martin were constantly plagued by bad luck this season.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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15 Dec 2012 23:08

Mellow Velo wrote:CAS aside, Contador has almost as many GT wins as Evans has GT fails.
Cuddles's time trialing is way overrated, here, presumably the memory of the 2011 Tour and all that.

A better one day rider, but that's about it



It's not just recent years why we rate his TT. 2002 Commonwealth Games TT, beating Mick Rogers, 2006 Romandie TT, jumping over both AC and Piti on the final stage TT, 2007 Tour winning stage 13 after Vino was caught, 2007 Tour final TT where he gained about 90 sec on AC but not enough to overcome his tactical errors in the Pyrenees. In 2009 and 2010 Evans was not at his best for various reasons.
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15 Dec 2012 23:12

Cookster15 wrote:It's not just recent years why we rate his TT. 2002 Commonwealth Games TT, beating Mick Rogers, 2006 Romandie TT, jumping over both AC and Piti on the final stage TT, 2007 Tour winning stage 13 after Vino was caught, 2007 Tour final TT where he gained about 90 sec on AC but not enough to overcome his tactical errors in the Pyrenees. In 2009 and 2010 Evans was not at his best for various reasons.


You have no problem comparing a 23-24 year old Contador to an Evans in full prime I see.

Tactical errors? Is that what you guys call getting dropped hard on a mountain?

Contador is much younger than Evans and he already won 6 more GTs than him.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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15 Dec 2012 23:18

El Pistolero wrote:You have no problem comparing a 23-24 year old Contador to an Evans in full prime I see.

Tactical errors? Is that what you guys call getting dropped hard on a mountain?

Contador is much younger than Evans and he already won 6 more GTs than him.


Well we'll just have to agree to disagree :)

Getting dropped hard on a mountain? We'll since AC has never been that strong since and we all know the answer to that lies in the clinic and was mentioned in other threads.
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15 Dec 2012 23:29

Cookster15 wrote:Well we'll just have to agree to disagree :)

Getting dropped hard on a mountain? We'll since AC has never been that strong since and we all know the answer to that lies in the clinic and was mentioned in other threads.


Contador went on to win 6 GTs after that. What did Evans do after his Tour win? Perhaps you should take that to the clinic. ;)
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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15 Dec 2012 23:38

El Pistolero wrote:What did Evans do after his Tour win?


He got sinusitus :D
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16 Dec 2012 00:38

El Pistolero wrote:Evans is not better most of the time. And why would you even compare them on MTB? Road racing forum and neither of them are doing MTB anymore on a professional level... And like I said, any comparison on cobbles is idiotic. They only met on cobbles once and Contador got taken out by a clumsy crash before the real cobbles had started. Both Evans and Contador would get owned in Paris-Roubaix anyway.


Ok but the MTB part was in the OP. I never stressed the MTB-we all know the answer. You are right about the cobbles.
I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong

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