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The Better Overall Rider, Nibali or S.Sanchez?

Poll ended at 06 Feb 2013 17:00

V.Nibali
43
73%
S.Sanchez
16
27%
 
Total votes : 59

The Better Overall Rider, Nibali or S.Sanchez?

18 Dec 2012 16:59

Oh yeah, let's go :D
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18 Dec 2012 17:02

The Hitch: Winner 2013 Vuelta cq game. Winner, Velorooms prediction game 2012, 2013. 2nd all time cq rankings.
The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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18 Dec 2012 17:02

Nibali.

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Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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18 Dec 2012 17:02

At present: Nibali
Cancellara is like The Black Album. Really good but way overrated.
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18 Dec 2012 17:05

Nibbles is my guess
"I know how to ride my bike" - Nibali

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9LBsWCNE9I

Vuelta 06 - the greatest gt in history!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24TQdI7csHs
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18 Dec 2012 17:09

The Hitch wrote:Its been done before

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=15817


Oh well shouldn't be surprised but I think it's maybe good to do it again. I think some people might have changed their opinion based on this year.
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18 Dec 2012 17:14

Miburo wrote:Oh well shouldn't be surprised but I think it's maybe good to do it again. I think some people might have changed their opinion based on this year.


It wont mean anything since it will all be based on wild guess work of what samus form is like.

Like Canc 2 injuries ruined his season so we havent seen him on top form in 1 and a half years.

Is he going to suck now that he turns 35? Probably, but its pure guesswork.
The Hitch: Winner 2013 Vuelta cq game. Winner, Velorooms prediction game 2012, 2013. 2nd all time cq rankings.
The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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18 Dec 2012 17:22

The Hitch wrote:It wont mean anything since it will all be based on wild guess work of what samus form is like.

Like Canc 2 injuries ruined his season so we havent seen him on top form in 1 and a half years.

Is he going to suck now that he turns 35? Probably, but its pure guesswork.


Cancellara had no injuries in 2011 yet didn't win a classic or a big time trial.

It's really not hard:

- Podiumed all 3 GTs: Nibali
- Podiumed 2 different type of Monuments: Nibali
- Won a WT stage race: Nibali and Samu
- Won a GT: Nibali
- Won an event comparable to a Monument: Samu(Olympics)
- Won a WT one day race: Nibali and Samu (GP Quest France, Zürich-Metzgete)
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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18 Dec 2012 17:26

Nibali takes it.
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18 Dec 2012 17:31

El Pistolero wrote:Cancellara had no injuries in 2011 yet didn't win a classic or a big time trial.

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Wtf has this got to do with anything?

t's really not hard:


this doesnt ask who has the better palmares but who is the better rider.

the 2 are not the same question. For example Nibali has a better palmares than Schleck but Schleck clearly is the better rider.

Oh and olympics is way bigger than a monument btw.
The Hitch: Winner 2013 Vuelta cq game. Winner, Velorooms prediction game 2012, 2013. 2nd all time cq rankings.
The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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18 Dec 2012 17:36

The Hitch wrote:It wont mean anything since it will all be based on wild guess work of what samus form is like.

Like Canc 2 injuries ruined his season so we havent seen him on top form in 1 and a half years.

Is he going to suck now that he turns 35? Probably, but its pure guesswork.


It's about people their opinion and it's interesting to see how it changed after this year. But anyways I didn't know there was a thread otherwise I wouldn't have made it so yeah ;)
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18 Dec 2012 17:40

The Hitch wrote:Wtf has this got to do with anything?



this doesnt ask who has the better palmares but who is the better rider.

the 2 are not the same question. For example Nibali has a better palmares than Schleck but Schleck clearly is the better rider.

Oh and olympics is way bigger than a monument btw.


Just because you compete for the glory of your country and the title of Sir? ;)

I just look at who's there and the field is comparable to a Monument. Not that Alexander Kristoff will podium a Monument any time soon. ;)

If anything it should be worth less because it's heavily depended on which country you live in. If you're a good cyclist you can at least get a good team around you in Monuments. But if you're from a country like Slovakia you're pretty much screwed for an Olympic or WC event.

So Nibali is 6 years younger and already has a better palmares? I think that settles who the best all-round rider is.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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18 Dec 2012 17:45

El Pistolero wrote:
So Nibali is 6 years younger and already has a better palmares? I think that settles who the best all-round rider is.


different riders peak at differnet times. I have no doubt Nibali will eventually be a better rider than samu ever was but that is not the question.
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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18 Dec 2012 17:46

The Hitch wrote:Wtf has this got to do with anything?



Nibali has a better palmares than Schleck but Schleck clearly is the better rider.




time will tell, but i'll go with Nibali.
Schleck is the better climber, no doubt about that, but Nibali is competitive in a huge variety of races, and far more consistent throughout a season

a poll perhaps? :D:D
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18 Dec 2012 17:50

woodenswan wrote:time will tell, but i'll go with Nibali.
Schleck is the better climber, no doubt about that, but Nibali is competitive in a huge variety of races, and far more consistent throughout a season

a poll perhaps? :D:D

I'd go with who's better at peak form. And that's clearly Schleck. Even in a time trial (in a GT) they're somewhat equal.
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18 Dec 2012 17:52

theyoungest wrote:I'd go with who's better at peak form. And that's clearly Schleck. Even in a time trial (in a GT) they're somewhat equal.


The question isn't who's the most talented, that is clearly Andy Schleck, but about who's the best overall rider.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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18 Dec 2012 17:55

I accidentally voted Sanchez. Meant to go for Nibali...
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18 Dec 2012 18:06

theyoungest wrote:I'd go with who's better at peak form. And that's clearly Schleck. Even in a time trial (in a GT) they're somewhat equal.


nibali clearly improved his time trial this year. can we say the same about andy schleck?

anyway on topic, obviously nibali. he is younger, already has the better palmares and is still improving. sanchez is most likely over the hill and i highly doubt he will win anything really big(monument or GT) on his career ever again.
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18 Dec 2012 18:12

El Pistolero wrote:The question isn't who's the most talented, that is clearly Andy Schleck, but about who's the best overall rider.


exactly

definition of overall: in view of all the circumstances or conditions; with everyone or everything taken into account

talent and peak form, those are just some of the factors


theyoungest wrote:Even in a time trial (in a GT) they're somewhat equal.


Nibali has shown signs of improvement in that department.
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18 Dec 2012 19:07

samu in every possible way he is better. sprinter, itt, climbing, classics, bigger engine. only downhil samu's skills have depleted, but nibali is nothing exceptional either
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