Siriuscat wrote:Airstream, over the last 30 years+ of watching bike racing I've seen champions come and go, pretenders to the crowns who have always hyped their abilities but come up short on the roads.
You know surely I don't have a 30 year fan experience but I was not born yesterday too. I can distinguish intention to take the things how they are and attempts to make other riders short on the road that you do.
Berto falls into the same category as the Hinaults, Kelly's, Pantanis and Lemonds of this world, genuises on a bike, riders who just didn't win but found ways to win when the odds were against them, Fuente De is the prime example of that.
It is your vision. Admiring and enthusiastic. OK. But I don't understand how it is projected for 2013. Grandeur or genius is something abstract, ephemeral and subjective in many ways. It doesn't give wins by itself. Genius is beaten by another genius and there is no biggest genius. It is a limitless debate.
Andy doesn't come into that category, I don't think he ever will, he doesn't have the where with all to succeed on that level.
No problem. It is not my dream and all the more so it is not his wish. I follow the sport not to be proud of riders and fanatically defend them.
You fail to recognise Airstream, that some of us having been watching this sport for a long long time, we recognise patterns, we recognise real riders when we see them and in turn know when a rider is failing to live up to his god given talent!
I'm saying about 2013, you are saying about to relationship to Contador which may be very different.
As to one's best in a GT, I don't know what it means because it always entails a question 'was other at his best?' And it is a cul-de-sac reasoning as situation changes too often to operate with a notorious 'one's best' on a regular basis. Say, I have difficulties to call in which GT Nibali was at his best, but it obviously wasn't the 2011 Giro.