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Which male rider will dominate in 2013?

Poll ended at 17 Feb 2013 21:19

Contador
53
25%
Wiggins
7
3%
Froome
11
5%
Gilbert
21
10%
Boonen
11
5%
Cancellara
26
13%
Rodriguez
4
2%
Sagan
54
26%
Valverde
8
4%
Other (specify)
13
6%
 
Total votes : 208

30 Dec 2012 15:50

The Hitch wrote:He won the Tour de Suiise.

But lets pretend (as you do) that he did not.

Well discluding time trials as you always do never makes any sense.

Hes a time trial specialist. There are plenty of races he could go to for a win that he doesnt because hes saving himself for a time trial or tired after a time trial or wearing the yellow jersey.

If he knew time trials dont count he would go for the win in other races:rolleyes: Its like mocking Contador for never winning a breakaway stage in a Grand Tour.

And to be fair (which you never are to Cancellara), he has every one of those years spent over half of his post april season domestiquing for the Schlecks


The World Road Race in Firenze is a time trial? Good to know. You hit the nail on the head, he's a time trial specialist.

He won Tour de Suisse? Yeah, because of the time trials. Lol.

He's tired from winning prologues(and one long time trial in a GT)? As if.

The Schlecks only ride one race a year and the Tour is not half your season post April. ;) He had a free reign this year anyway.

Does Contador not win both real stages and time trials in stage races?

Have you realized yet I'm not the one that's excluding time trials, but you are? Why would he stop focusing on time trials? He's good at them. :)
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


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30 Dec 2012 16:19

El Pistolero wrote:The World Road Race in Firenze is a time trial? Good to know. You hit the nail on the head, he's a time trial specialist.

He won Tour de Suisse? Yeah, because of the time trials. Lol.

He's tired from winning prologues(and one long time trial in a GT)? As if.

The Schlecks only ride one race a year and the Tour is not half your season post April. ;) He had a free reign this year anyway.

Does Contador not win both real stages and time trials in stage races?


Time trials and real stages??? :confused: Time trials are som sort of fantasy stage?
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30 Dec 2012 16:23

Bushman wrote:Time trials and real stages??? :confused: Time trials are som sort of fantasy stage?


Real stages as in racing against multiple people directly instead of indirectly.

What's the point of cycling if it is completely devoid of tactics as time trials are!
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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30 Dec 2012 16:29

El Pistolero wrote:Real stages as in racing against multiple people directly instead of indirectly.

What's the point of cycling if it is completely devoid of tactics as time trials are!


Strongest guy wins. Simples.
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30 Dec 2012 16:31

will10 wrote:Strongest guy wins. Simples.


Yeah, I know, would get boring very quickly.

Though a time trial of 250km would be very interesting. ;)
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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30 Dec 2012 16:31

El Pistolero wrote:Real stages as in racing against multiple people directly instead of indirectly.

What's the point of cycling if it is completely devoid of tactics as time trials are!


So, what? Winning a time trial is not a real win? In a time trial you push yourself to and past your limits in order to beat the other guys time, often only being separated by seconds. In fact, a rider is probably working a lot harder in a TT than they are in a road race.
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30 Dec 2012 16:33

Afrank wrote:So, what? Winning a time trial is not a real win? In a time trial you push yourself to and past your limits in order to beat the other guys time, often only being separated by seconds. In fact, a rider is probably working a lot harder in a TT than they are in a road race.


I've not seen pro TTs last 6hrs.
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30 Dec 2012 16:34

Afrank wrote:So, what? Winning a time trial is not a real win? In a time trial you push yourself to and past your limits in order to beat the other guys time, often only being separated by seconds. A rider is probably working a lot harder in a TT than they are in a road race in fact.


Time trial win doesn't really matter when you talk about a road race no.

I just used "real stage" to differentiate it from a time trial stage lol. We all know what's more prestigious anyway, let's not kid ourselves.

I think a road race is harder than one of Cancellara's prologue wins though.

Fact remains that it's a lot harder for Cancellara to win an actual road race than it is to win a time trial. That fact will remain valid for next year's WC. ;)

It's not like Cancellara is a frequent winner of road races. Therefor it is worth pointing out he hasn't won a real road race after April since 2008. Except his 2 National Road Race titles, but what competition does he face there lol?
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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30 Dec 2012 17:42

Guys, it's simple. Boonen isn't great at time trials, that's why they're boring and unimportant.
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30 Dec 2012 17:46

theyoungest wrote:Guys, it's simple. Boonen isn't great at time trials, that's why they're boring and unimportant.


Didn't Boonen once say that he was gonna try and win TT's? :D
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30 Dec 2012 17:54

theyoungest wrote:Guys, it's simple. Belgians aren't great at time trials, that's why they're boring and unimportant.

Fixed.

El_pistelero has really gone overboard on the madness on this one, to say that a TT win is less prestigious than a road win because there are less tactics involved is so absurd that I'm almost convinced he must be trolling.
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30 Dec 2012 18:12

maltiv wrote:Fixed.

El_pistelero has really gone overboard on the madness on this one, to say that a TT win is less prestigious than a road win because there are less tactics involved is so absurd that I'm almost convinced he must be trolling.


You're kidding right?

Even CQranking, which was based on a real UCI scoring system, gives 400 points for the WC road race and only 250 for the time trial.

Trolling? I thought everyone knew road races are the main thing in this sport. There's not a single cyclist out there that would rather win a WC time trial than a WC Road Race. Why is saying such a thing all of a sudden trolling? It's my honest and blunt opinion. ;)

Miburo wrote:Didn't Boonen once say that he was gonna try and win TT's? :D


I'm not claiming Boonen will win the WC road race or time trial in 2013 am I? What does he got to do with this expect you trying to troll? ;) Don't try and change topics here buddy. Maltiv's the one claiming Cancellara will dominate the entire season and win climbing races left and right. I'm merely pointing out he hasn't won a road race after April since 2008, so such domination is doubtful unless he gets back to Luigi Cecchini.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


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30 Dec 2012 18:33

Lets imagine that Cancellara become a better Voeckler in 2013

He would probably say breakaway wins are boring and unimportant as well

Edit: Btw, you were hyping the WC TTT win because Boonen said it was the biggest win of this year. I guess that you will say TTT's are the most important race (but TT has no meaning though)
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30 Dec 2012 18:36

burning wrote:Lets imagine that Cancellara become a better Voeckler in 2013

He would probably say breakaway wins are boring and unimportant as well


Yeah, what's better winning from a breakaway of second tier riders or beating the best there are in a direct battle?

But you're right, it would be just because of Cancellara when I say that. :o

So does this mean Voeckler is a better climber than Froome?
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


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30 Dec 2012 18:41

El Pistolero wrote:Yeah, what's better winning from a breakaway of second tier riders or beating the best there are in a direct battle?

But you're right, it would be just because of Cancellara when I say that. :o

So does this mean Voeckler is a better climber than Froome?


So, pretty much every race is useless unless someone like Contador wins? Voeckler is the best breakaway rider since 2-3 years and he deserves quite a lot of respect imo and he has more wins than Froome in 2012, even though Froome is 10 times better than him
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30 Dec 2012 18:43

burning wrote:So, pretty much every race is useless unless someone like Contador wins? Voeckler is the best breakaway rider since 2-3 years and he deserves quite a lot of respect imo


Yes, like climbing and sprinting is skills, so is what you need to get into the right breakaways (especialy someone like Voeckler that does it time and time again) and win them
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30 Dec 2012 18:44

burning wrote:So, pretty much every race is useless unless someone like Contador wins? Voeckler is the best breakaway rider since 2-3 years and he deserves quite a lot of respect imo and he has more wins than Froome even though Froome is 10 times better than him


Uh, where am I calling it useless? Better to win than not win. But if you ask me what is more prestigious: a breakaway win or a win from the favorites group... I'll respond with the latter answer. :)

burning wrote:Lets imagine that Cancellara become a better Voeckler in 2013

He would probably say breakaway wins are boring and unimportant as well

Edit: Btw, you were hyping the WC TTT win because Boonen said it was the biggest win of this year. I guess that you will say TTT's are the most important race (but TT has no meaning though)


Actually, I said it was the least important World Championship. I said Boonen considered it his big win, his words, not mine.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


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30 Dec 2012 18:45

El Pistolero wrote:Actually, I said it was the least important World Championship. I said Boonen considered it his big win, his words, not mine.


Well, sorry about that then, I remembered that you were hyping his win, guess I was wrong

Btw, I think both ways are equal, no one says O'Grady or Van Summeren won PR from a breakaway, they won the biggest Monument and that's the only thing matters
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30 Dec 2012 18:46

burning wrote:Well, sorry about that then, I remembered that you were hyping his win, guess I was wrong


http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1093694&postcount=21

Here's my post. ;)

burning wrote:Btw, I think both ways are equal, no one says O'Grady or Van Summeren won PR from a breakaway, they won the biggest Monument and that's the only thing matters


Uh, if you'd make a poll on this forum asking who's P-R win was the best: Cancellara or Vansummeren I'm pretty sure the vast majority would vote for Cancellara.

It's harder to win a race when you're one of the big favorites because everyone marks you. Vansummeren on the other hand has much more freedom during Roubaix.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


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30 Dec 2012 18:52

El Pistolero wrote:You're kidding right?

Even CQranking, which was based on a real UCI scoring system, gives 400 points for the WC road race and only 250 for the time trial.

Trolling? I thought everyone knew road races are the main thing in this sport. There's not a single cyclist out there that would rather win a WC time trial than a WC Road Race. Why is saying such a thing all of a sudden trolling? It's my honest and blunt opinion. ;).

Well that's true, but it seemed as if you were talking about TT's in general, not just the WC. Winning an ITT in TDF is much more prestigious than to win a road stage, and I'm sure most people agree. Almost any rider can win a road stage with the right amount of luck...

However, I do think Cancellara should've won far more road races in his career. But since he's neither a sprinter nor a climber the only realistic chance of doing so in a GT is to get into the right breakaway, which he for one reason or another hasn't seemed to bother attempting the last couple of years.
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