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05 Jan 2013 13:35

movingtarget wrote:What makes you think that ? Australian TV has good coverage of all the major races. The dedicated cycling fan in Australia is interested in more than just the Tour. Also GE had a pretty good first season and most of their buys are young guys, sprinters and classics riders. I don't think they are too worried about signing a quality GC rider at the moment as that would change the whole structure of the team they have already built. Obviously they are hoping some of the young guys improve in that direction.


Yeah, of course dedicated fans care about other races, every person on this forum for instance does. But the biggest group of viewers and the most important group for sponsors only watch the Tour. In most countries it's like that, only the big classics or the Giro can slightly compare to the media attention in the TdF.
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05 Jan 2013 14:08

movingtarget wrote:What makes you think that ? Australian TV has good coverage of all the major races. The dedicated cycling fan in Australia is interested in more than just the Tour. Also GE had a pretty good first season and most of their buys are young guys, sprinters and classics riders. I don't think they are too worried about signing a quality GC rider at the moment as that would change the whole structure of the team they have already built. Obviously they are hoping some of the young guys improve in that direction.


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05 Jan 2013 14:23

Ryo is back :cool:
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05 Jan 2013 14:26

where is andy and the dolphins? :(
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05 Jan 2013 14:33

jens_attacks wrote:where is andy and the dolphins? :(

He has a new alter-ego :p
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05 Jan 2013 14:48

theyoungest wrote:How is Machado on the steeper gradients? Not that great, I think?


Vino? You mean the guy who won a lot of races not by being the strongest, but by being the smartest?


i don't think he is bad at steep stuff, it would be better for him if the climb was a couple k's longer as since it is not even 3k it is still a hill that in terms of distance suits gerrans.

either way he said he wants to be in good shape here and in algarve fighting for the win in both races and getting good results so he then can rest and go to the giro feeling less pressure then he did in 2011 and since guys like gerrans want to be in top shape in april they may still be a bit off form compared to machado.
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05 Jan 2013 15:28

jens_attacks wrote:where is andy and the dolphins? :(

It jinxed him, it cost him many suspensions/bans.
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05 Jan 2013 15:38

it jinxed andy schleck because since I had that avatar his career has been in the dump. so might take it again if he starts riding well this year, or perhaps try a wiggo avatar, eventhough it would sicken me
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05 Jan 2013 20:27

Kash will win stage 2, it suits him well.

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05 Jan 2013 20:38

Parrulo wrote:i don't think he is bad at steep stuff, it would be better for him if the climb was a couple k's longer as since it is not even 3k it is still a hill that in terms of distance suits gerrans.

either way he said he wants to be in good shape here and in algarve fighting for the win in both races and getting good results so he then can rest and go to the giro feeling less pressure then he did in 2011 and since guys like gerrans want to be in top shape in april they may still be a bit off form compared to machado.

Knowing him, he'll probably peak somewhere after the Giro or before Down Under :D
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05 Jan 2013 23:27

Ryo Hazuki wrote:lol, I stopped reading there. that is simply a lie and a really bad one


Heiko Salzwedel:
There is no doubt about his physical abilities. He always had an exceptional power-to-weight ratio, which already made him, even as a mountain bike specialist, one of the best possible chances for a Tour de France win.. And I'm talking about a time that was 10 years before he made his debut in that race.


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And of all the thousands of riders who passed through the halls of the Institute since those early years, none have ever returned the sort of data that a young Cadel Evans produced during his early screening sessions.


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Ryo Hazuki wrote:because in australia only the tour is important


Well, this post shows your lack of knowledge of Australia, so maybe I should stop reading your posts?
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06 Jan 2013 01:29

Well, this post shows your lack of knowledge of Australia, so maybe I should stop reading your posts?[/QUOTE]

What he meant to say was that the world only cares about the Tour not just Australia. General public. In other words the comment is completely pointless like so many others.
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06 Jan 2013 10:34

Without even knowing the OGE team for the TDU, I am feeling more and more that it will be a two pronged Simon attack. Both have just raced the Herald Sun Tour and Clarke (who we didn't see in January last year) is looking great. He comes off a pretty successful Vuelta, is going well in the hills and unless he is relegated to Gerrans Lieutenant, will be a formidable force.

Another interesting Aussie contender is CJ Sutton who is flying at the moment and ready to break the OGE hold on the Australian Champions jersey. He is doing a lot of training with Geraint Thomas who I think will also ride well in South Australia.

The hot weather isn't to be underestimated either as Matty Goss found out last Friday. Arriving from a cold European winter will need some reasonable acclimatisation and Goss lost over 30mins in the excrutiating 40+ C weather. Every likelihood that Adelaide/S.A will get similar weather over the TDU.
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06 Jan 2013 10:42

G is already looking skinny, hopefully he can surprise, willunga hill should be doable for him.
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06 Jan 2013 11:13

Ruudz0r wrote:G is already looking skinny, hopefully he can surprise, willunga hill should be doable for him.

Can he go with better puncheurs like Gerrans or some of the other Australians and Spaniards? I doubt that.

Wilba60 wrote:Without even knowing the OGE team for the TDU, I am feeling more and more that it will be a two pronged Simon attack. Both have just raced the Herald Sun Tour and Clarke (who we didn't see in January last year) is looking great. He comes off a pretty successful Vuelta, is going well in the hills and unless he is relegated to Gerrans Lieutenant, will be a formidable force.

Another interesting Aussie contender is CJ Sutton who is flying at the moment and ready to break the OGE hold on the Australian Champions jersey. He is doing a lot of training with Geraint Thomas who I think will also ride well in South Australia.

The hot weather isn't to be underestimated either as Matty Goss found out last Friday. Arriving from a cold European winter will need some reasonable acclimatisation and Goss lost over 30mins in the excrutiating 40+ C weather. Every likelihood that Adelaide/S.A will get similar weather over the TDU.

Many of the Euros come out a week before to acclimatise. I think they should be alright.
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06 Jan 2013 21:27

Many of the Euros come out a week before to acclimatise. I think they should be alright.[/QUOTE]

I am not so sure on that unless they are coming from training in warmer locations, especially if the temps start to get above 35C. It is an interesting physiological question.

I think a week will prepare them ok for the moderate days but the really hot days will be too much for them if they have come from winter training. Will be interesting to see the earliest weather reports and see if any super hot days are coming. The day we (Melbourne) had 41C last week, Adelaide had mid 40's and a very strong, hot wind.
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06 Jan 2013 22:40

well machado has been racing and training with temperatures over 40ºc all his life so he will be just fine.

he gave a small interview to jornalciclismo:
http://jornalciclismo.com/?p=29123

"if i have a dorsal on my back and a helmet on my head then i am racing to win"

also disagrees with the interviewer hints that his excessive aggressiveness does more harm then good to his results.

good to see he isn't going to become a conservative rider after a bad season
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06 Jan 2013 22:53

Parrulo wrote:also disagrees with the interviewer hints that his excessive aggressiveness does more harm then good to his results.

good to see he isn't going to become a conservative rider after a bad season

No, bad. Remember what happened to Froome when he decided he was gong to be more conservative rather than waste energy attacking;)
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07 Jan 2013 16:11

Not perfect thread, but Australian racing so here goes.

Is there some official startlist on whos riding the Aussie Nats ITT and RR ?
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07 Jan 2013 16:29

Gloin22 wrote:Not perfect thread, but Australian racing so here goes.

Is there some official startlist on whos riding the Aussie Nats ITT and RR ?


http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/cycling-australia-road-national-championships-mens-start-list#
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