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06 Jan 2013 14:04

They should hire this guy
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06 Jan 2013 14:35

theyoungest wrote:There was serious discussion going on about that back then. Lose a few kilos and he should be good to go. After all, he won the amazingly hard Tour de Suisse.


There was only 60 km TT (with a hill in both TT) in that tour, and there was even a TTT which was in the advantage of Astana.

Against the Contador of that time there was no way that it would have happened. Even when the parcours wasn't that hard.

It stays retarded...And yeah very hard TDS lol
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06 Jan 2013 14:43

Miburo wrote:Evans off-form, no contador, no schleck. Sanchez, hesjedal, gesink eliminated from the race.


Evans is ancient, he ain't going to stay around for 3 more years. ;)

No Schleck? As if that would've mattered with all the time trials.

Sanchez? He ain't going to do the Tour this year. And he's also pretty old already.

Hesjedal? VDB2 beat him at the Tour in 2010. You're grasping at straws.

Gesink? Lol.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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06 Jan 2013 14:53

El Pistolero wrote:Evans is ancient, he ain't going to stay around for 3 more years. ;)

No Schleck? As if that would've mattered with all the time trials.

Sanchez? He ain't going to do the Tour this year. And he's also pretty old already.

Hesjedal? VDB2 beat him at the Tour in 2010. You're grasping at straws.

Gesink? Lol.


So you're saying that the great TT'er VDB2 would have put so much time on schleck in the TT that he couldn't make that up in the mountains? :o
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06 Jan 2013 14:59

Miburo wrote:So you're saying that the great TT'er VDB2 would have put so much time on schleck in the TT that he couldn't make that up in the mountains? :o


The Great Schleck would've been a solid candidate for Lantern Rouge in his '12 form.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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06 Jan 2013 15:00

Miburo wrote:There was only 60 km TT (with a hill in both TT) in that tour, and there was even a TTT which was in the advantage of Astana.

Against the Contador of that time there was no way that it would have happened. Even when the parcours wasn't that hard.

It stays retarded...And yeah very hard TDS lol

You don't pick up sarcasm either... is that a dying art?

I agree spending too much time in the Clinic blunts your sense of perception.
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06 Jan 2013 16:17

theyoungest wrote:You don't pick up sarcasm either... is that a dying art?

I agree spending too much time in the Clinic blunts your sense of perception.


About the hard TDS, yeah was hard to figure out :rolleyes: Btw wasn't the 'lol' obvious?

About the rest of my post. I was just giving arguments into why this serious debate was unfounded. Because it was indeed a serious debate, that's all.

Check my posts in the clinic, i think i've at best 3 posts, do some research ;)
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06 Jan 2013 16:22

El Pistolero wrote:The Great Schleck would've been a solid candidate for Lantern Rouge in his '12 form.


Maybe, but this all doesn't change the fact that he'll still own VDB2 in the tour this year. I'm hoping he has some motivation and pride and that should be more than enough to take down VDB2

Just like Contador, froome. And there are many other names that are pretty much equal or slightly better than VDB2.

The point was that the only way VDB2 can reach podium is when riders start falling, everybody knows that.

It's stupid from Museeuw bringing out a statement like that counting on bad luck for other riders.
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06 Jan 2013 16:26

Miburo wrote:Maybe, but this all doesn't change the fact that he'll still own VDB2 in the tour this year. I'm hoping he has some motivation and pride and that should be more than enough to take down VDB2

Just like Contador, froome. And there are many other names that are pretty much equal or slightly better than VDB2.

The point was that the only way VDB2 can reach podium is when riders start falling, everybody knows that.

It's stupid from Museeuw bringing out a statement like that counting on bad luck for other riders.


Yeah, because in the Tour a rider never falls out. :rolleyes:

Let's wait if Schleck can finish a race this season before we start making silly predictions shall we. ;)

They guy has been top 5 in the last 2 Tour editions he finished. It's not a stupid statement.

According to your logic Samuel Sanchez can't win Lombardia unless someone crashes out.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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06 Jan 2013 16:49

El Pistolero wrote:Yeah, because in the Tour a rider never falls out. :rolleyes:

Let's wait if Schleck can finish a race this season before we start making silly predictions shall we. ;)

They guy has been top 5 in the last 2 Tour editions he finished. It's not a stupid statement.

According to your logic Samuel Sanchez can't win Lombardia unless someone crashes out.


It's just ridiculous to count on that to make this bold prediction. Besides if he couldn't do it in 2012, then when? lol

SS almost won it '09 but some guy beat him :D

And winning a classic as an underdog is a 'bit' easier than a GT :o
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06 Jan 2013 16:51

The point is it's not silly to say someone who got fourth can do one single place better and be third on the podium.

It's not like 2012 had a route that suited him.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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06 Jan 2013 17:01

El Pistolero wrote:The point is it's not silly to say someone who got fourth can do one single place better and be third on the podium.

It's not like 2012 had a route that suited him.


He lost time on the mountain stages aswell ;)
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06 Jan 2013 17:02

I always liked the German Eurosport commentators Karsten Migels and Ulli Jansch in combination! They were always very emotional and funny and Janschi always had some nice background information about every rider (Although commentating alone he's a bit abstracted sometimes). Anybody said once about the two "2 commentators watching a bicycle race while talking about god and the world - no matter if the viewer is listening" :D

Now Migels has Jean-Claude Leclerq as expert by his side. Leclerq most of the time gives very good prognostics in my opinion. But you have to deal with his Suisse accent.

The Sporza commentators are clearly the best ones I've heard so far! It's always nice to hear them.
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06 Jan 2013 17:10

De Cauwer is my fav analist, he knows his cycling very well.

Boogerd was cool too but yeah prob won't see him again, a shame :(

Mart Smeets is...well yeah :rolleyes:
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06 Jan 2013 17:58

Miburo wrote:He lost time on the mountain stages aswell ;)


Yeah because of a mechanical he lost nearly 2 minutes. ;)
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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06 Jan 2013 18:16

El Pistolero wrote:Yeah because of a mechanical he lost nearly 2 minutes. ;)


He still lost time to Nibali and Wiggins besides that.

Although I agree that Museeuw's predicton wasn't that stupid.
"It is going to be very scary." - Tom Boonen*
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06 Jan 2013 19:02

It's not that difficult.

There are great riders and there are almost-great riders like VDB. When the greats fail, the almost-greats step up and then VDB is by far the most likely to do so, since he is easily the most reliable and consistent.

It's not like those guys never succeed. Hesjedal won the Giro, didn't he?

One could argue that there were always at least 3 guys around that were better than Sastre, but that didn't stop him.
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06 Jan 2013 19:06

Praetor wrote:It's not that difficult.

There are great riders and there are almost-great riders like VDB. When the greats fail, the almost-greats step up and then VDB is by far the most likely to do so, since he is easily the most reliable and consistent.

It's not like those guys never succeed. Hesjedal won the Giro, didn't he?

One could argue that there were always at least 3 guys around that were better than Sastre, but that didn't stop him.


Giro is not the tour and Sastre actually was on podiums prior to that tour and maybe would have done more but that's clinic.
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06 Jan 2013 19:29

Miburo wrote:Giro is not the tour and Sastre actually was on podiums prior to that tour and maybe would have done more but that's clinic.

Come on, VDB on the Tour podium wouldn't be so strange. Wiggo and Froome are better, full stop. But then there's Andy, who has to come from very far. And Wiggo, assuming he'll do the Giro his form probably won't be what it was last year. There's Evans, with his virus infection. And one or two of them will probably crash out/lose half an hour in a sprint stage.

Museeuw has said much bigger bullsh.t.
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06 Jan 2013 20:17

El Imbatido wrote:Phil Liggett was the worst for always talking about Armstrong....which should hopefully stop now. But here is a classic case of Phil pumping Armstrong and bagging out others, in this case Contador. It was taken from the stage 3 pre-race Versus show from the 2010 Tour de France, where they talk about the riders and how they'll go on the cobble stage. I edited it into a nice little video for everyone

Click here


"Clever people like Armstrong know what they're all about"
Lucky I didn't blow grits.
Clever indeed, Armstrong is.
Phil Liggett needs to go away as well.
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