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16 Jan 2013 11:35

theyoungest wrote:Image

Chieti > Huy
Cancellara is like The Black Album. Really good but way overrated.
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16 Jan 2013 12:19

Netserk wrote:Chieti > Huy


But how is that relevant to the Cauberg, which is much easier than either of those?

Btw, notice the extra four bike lengths Gilbert has on the Number 2 compared to Sagan.
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16 Jan 2013 12:43

Netserk wrote:Chieti > Huy


FW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage in the T-A.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


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16 Jan 2013 12:50

El Pistolero wrote:FW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage in the T-A.

And yet it was too difficult for Gilbert :rolleyes:

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16 Jan 2013 12:59

El Pistolero wrote:FW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage in the T-A.

That's of course not relevant to the discussion.
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16 Jan 2013 13:21

Netserk wrote:And yet it was too difficult for Gilbert :rolleyes:

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Why would he peak for Tirreno-Adriatico?

Nor am I sure what Chieti has to do with this. Gilbert has by far the fastest time on the Cauberg and has shown he can win solo even if the Cauberg is 2km from the finishline.

theyoungest wrote:That's of course not relevant to the discussion.


More prestige = better field and at their best shape(more or less)
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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16 Jan 2013 13:22

Did Sagan peak for Tirreno?
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16 Jan 2013 13:28

theyoungest wrote:Did Sagan peak for Tirreno?


Gilbert's program is a little bit busier than Sagan's. ;)

He rides all the Ardennes classics while Sagan just did AGR.

And I don't think Sagan had a real peak during the spring season last year. Gilbert obviously reached his peak at the Ardennes classics in 2011. Sagan was more or less at the same level throughout the spring last year.

Wouldn't he have won the AGR uphill sprint by several bike lengths otherwise?
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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16 Jan 2013 13:56

I think it is quite clear that Sagan is better on really hard walls (e.g. Chieti).

Concering AGR, however...
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16 Jan 2013 14:14

El Pistolero wrote:Gilbert's program is a little bit busier than Sagan's. ;)

He rides all the Ardennes classics while Sagan just did AGR.

That's a load of bull. Qatar, Oman, Strade Bianche, Tirreno, MSR, E3-prijs, Gent-Wevelgem, RVV, AGR... how many more races should Sagan ride before you consider it a busy schedule?

And I don't think Sagan had a real peak during the spring season last year. Gilbert obviously reached his peak at the Ardennes classics in 2011. Sagan was more or less at the same level throughout the spring last year.

Gilbert's form seemed alright in the Tirreno 2011 as well. He can only win on a steep hill when he's on super duper form, Sagan apparently has more natural talent for these walls.
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16 Jan 2013 14:34

theyoungest wrote:That's a load of bull. Qatar, Oman, Strade Bianche, Tirreno, MSR, E3-prijs, Gent-Wevelgem, RVV, AGR... how many more races should Sagan ride before you consider it a busy schedule?


Gilbert's form seemed alright in the Tirreno 2011 as well. He can only win on a steep hill when he's on super duper form, Sagan apparently has more natural talent for these walls.


Why are you talking only Sagan and Gilbert?Why not Purito,Vanendert or Gasparotto(last year's winner).
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16 Jan 2013 14:53

Good move.
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16 Jan 2013 15:15

Really good move. Hope to see a different kind of race this year!
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16 Jan 2013 16:06

I suppose it's to give the benelux squads a better chance.
I prefer the dash up hill finish
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16 Jan 2013 16:08

TourOfSardinia wrote:I suppose it's to give the benelux squads a better chance.
I prefer the dash up hill finish


The dash uphill will still be there.
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16 Jan 2013 16:15

theyoungest wrote:That's a load of bull. Qatar, Oman, Strade Bianche, Tirreno, MSR, E3-prijs, Gent-Wevelgem, RVV, AGR... how many more races should Sagan ride before you consider it a busy schedule?


Gilbert's form seemed alright in the Tirreno 2011 as well. He can only win on a steep hill when he's on super duper form, Sagan apparently has more natural talent for these walls.


Gilbert rides all those races and then the Ardennes classics. So how is it a load of bull that his schedule is a bit busier? ;)

You can sure base a lot on one single event during a race. So if next year Sagan doesn't win on Chieti does that mean he lost all his natural talent? ;)

Gilbert's form was alright during the Tirreno in 2011, but he was much better during the Ardennes classics. He barely won an uphill sprint against Ballan during Strade Bianche... 2 months later and he was winning on Mur de Huy with several bike lengths. There was no such increase in Sagan's performance during the spring season.

Gilbert peaks for the Ardennes and that's that. He's still a few kg too heavy during the Ronde van Vlaanderen. Which happens to be Sagan's main goal of the season alongside Milan-San Remo. So his peak should be earlier than Gilbert's.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


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16 Jan 2013 16:48

I like the change. As someone else mentioned, the old finish made AGR and FW too similar.
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16 Jan 2013 16:56

I think it's going to be a good thing. The Cauberg is still going to be the decisive attack point, but an extra 2km afterward will change things up a little.

But I don't think competition was the reason for the change. They're looking for ways to make the race more profitable. From the CN article:
It also has better logistical capabilities, with more room for media facilities and a VIP village.
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16 Jan 2013 19:48

Here Leo van Vliet says that it's not just the finish line that changes, they'll do an 18 k lap with Geulhemmerberg-Bemelerberg-Cauberg after it. I wonder why the media didn't pick up on that, that's a far more important change.

So the entire final of the race has been altered.
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16 Jan 2013 20:49

could any that knows the ways of the low countries make a profile on tracks for bikers or something with this new last part of the race? :o
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