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16 Jan 2013 21:44

Parrulo wrote:could any that knows the ways of the low countries make a profile on tracks for bikers or something with this new last part of the race? :o

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16 Jan 2013 22:08

so it pretty much is a lap of the WC course? :o

rather disappointing as the course wasn't all that selective
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17 Jan 2013 03:27

Panda Claws wrote:I do not know about Sagan. Right now he still seems a level beneath Gilbert and perhaps even Rodriguez on these hills.

Yes, I understand he has potential.


Yeah but JROD never goes well at AGR.
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17 Jan 2013 05:46

theyoungest wrote:Here Leo van Vliet says that it's not just the finish line that changes, they'll do an 18 k lap with Geulhemmerberg-Bemelerberg-Cauberg after it. I wonder why the media didn't pick up on that, that's a far more important change.

So the entire final of the race has been altered.


The news did not came out yet because this change is not made official to the puclic yet.

Iteresting to see how this change will effect the way that the favorites make the race before the Cauberg climb. In the last couple of years almost everybody waits until a final attack on the Cauberg. Now we can maybe see earlier attacks with a more select group to go to the finish line.
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17 Jan 2013 07:11

Worlds proved that the last 2k were meaningless. a pretty big group hit the base of the Cauberg and the 3 riders that went over the top were the same 3 at the finish, and on that day (and a good percentage of days every year) the wind was coming from Germany so once over the top it is a pretty fast 2k with a bit of downhill and excellent road surface.
also there is much more room for the whole finish line village up there.
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17 Jan 2013 08:52

Leendert82 wrote:The news did not came out yet because this change is not made official to the puclic yet.

Iteresting to see how this change will effect the way that the favorites make the race before the Cauberg climb. In the last couple of years almost everybody waits until a final attack on the Cauberg. Now we can maybe see earlier attacks with a more select group to go to the finish line.

I'm not sure, Geulhemmerberg and Bemelerberg are not that hard. It would have been better to do the Keutenberg one more time in the final ;)
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17 Jan 2013 09:08

burning wrote:I already miss Freire :o


Yeah that's what I was thinking right after he retires they make it perfect for him
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17 Jan 2013 11:09

CobbleStoner wrote:Worlds proved that the last 2k were meaningless. a pretty big group hit the base of the Cauberg and the 3 riders that went over the top were the same 3 at the finish, and on that day (and a good percentage of days every year) the wind was coming from Germany so once over the top it is a pretty fast 2k with a bit of downhill and excellent road surface.
also there is much more room for the whole finish line village up there.


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18 Jan 2013 23:36

From what I read the road they're going to use to the finish after the Cauberg isn't the same road they took in the world championships, but rather one they used when the Tour de France visited a few years back. Is there any difference really or are both options basically just false flat?

Either way I like the change. I've really got fed up with Amstel the last few years. I remember when I first saw it in 2003 and 2004 they were more exciting and the attacks were made earlier, but it's ended up mostly being a glorified uphill sprint on a hill that isn't as testing as the Mur de Huy, with 250km of riders just marking each other over 30 meaningless hills. Liege is just raced so much more aggressively, you can see how much tougher it is and how much more riders want it. I enjoyed the worlds last year though so perhaps this change will help make Amstel a better race again.

With the likes of Degenkolb and Sagan we could have in the next few years riders capable of winning Roubaix and Amstel in back to back weeks. I can't even think of the last rider in with a good shot at both.
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19 Jan 2013 08:18

Cult Classics wrote: I can't even think of the last rider in with a good shot at both.


Johan Museeuw.
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19 Jan 2013 09:08

They indeed changed the course.

Removed the first 18km and added an 18km lap after they passed the finish line with the following climbs Geulhemmerberg-Bemelerberg-Cauberg -> 2k finish.

Not sure, but I think these aren't the hardest climbs. I'd rather had the keutenberg amond them just like theyoungest said.
Not sure if it will change much, but if they still have the ordinary run up to the Cauberg like they used to have we should get a very long series of climbs starting at about 40km from the finish.

Somehow I'm afraid this will close the race even more. I guess we'll see, it's good they changed the race though.
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19 Jan 2013 10:41

rghysens wrote:Johan Museeuw.


Actually I'd give to Van Petegem since he did actually feature on the Cauberg finishes. A long way back either way and in Museeuw's case he was only really competitive before the finish moved to Cauberg, pre-2003. I guess Wesemann did well in both too but I mean there are very few.
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