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If Contador rides the giro, will wiggins still ride it?

Poll ended at 30 Jan 2013 16:41

Yes
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58%
No
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26%
He'll break his collarbone on purpose to make it legit
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Total votes : 126

21 Jan 2013 02:30

I still think Wiggins is more interested in this year's Tour than this year's Giro regardless of what Sky might say and regardless of where Contador rides
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21 Jan 2013 02:41

Wiggo will ride whether Contador is there or not.

I prefer Alberto Not ride and focus on le Tour. There will be another year to retry the double after he has another Tour win.
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21 Jan 2013 07:34

ferryman wrote:Man you are a case. You abandoned our boy Andy cos he didn't have it to beat Bertie, you got on the Froome train cos you thought he could beat Bertie, now you are just about to get on the Wiggins train if I read where you are going with this.

And yes totally agree, you have nothing new to say.


I didn't abandone anyone. Do you want conflicts? For me, your hypertrophied vision of Contador and all others is absolute utopia too. You stance is based on the gulf between Contador, Schleck and all the rest. I strongly disagree with that. However I behave normally, don't say 'you are a case' and don't accuse anyone of anything.

Generally, I find it offensive when desperate Contador fans dare learn others how they should root, what a real fan is etc. Do you want to set certain standarts who a real fan is cos you consider yourself a real fan? Ease up. You won't be able to do that.

You always gloss over Contador, always find excuses, often ignore his rivals and almost never remember excuses for them, you turn a blind eye to certain things because you don't wanna see them, you say about Contador as the 2013 Tour winner as thought it is an accomplished fact. You settled in your kingdom of assumptions and imaginations and consider them the only correct? And you accuse the other forum member just cos' he sees the situation differently??! Hell, am i crazy? Don't i know anything? Shame on you.
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21 Jan 2013 08:46

jilbiker wrote:Wiggins on pure talent is not in the same category as AC. Wiggins admits that also.

It is conventionality and not a guarantee of defeat. Going by talent, everyone should surrender straight on the start, no?

Last year's "wins" were from the compensation of the Sky train.

It is wrong to explain everything by the train. Wiggins was very strong himself. He was the second climber in the race, after Froome.
That train is back to the 2009 level in my opinion with the exit of some notable clinic related names.

Today Wiggins is a much better time trialist than in 2009. And even back then he was a very good climber, considering how much he had to work at the front. Wiggins had back up only on Le Grand Bornard stage. On the rest stages he defended very decently looking into account that it was his debut like a GC contender. But again he improved as a climber too.
Actually I rate Wiggins below Nibali, Purito, Basso, the list continues.....

The reason?

My logic is Contador won't be able to win a pure class if Wiggins will show up at 2012 level. Moreover it will be very difficult to win if Wiggins turns out to be the second climber in the race. It's very hard to gain time by miles alone even for Contador.

In all the years: Contador won alone:
- 45 sec on Verbier;
- 50 (?) sec on Angliru;

All the rest was gain with one's help. Contador needs cooperations, he needs the guys who will be very good (better than Wiggins) climbers. Nibali and Basso will be stronger than Wiggins? I'm not sure.
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21 Jan 2013 08:55

I dont think he would pull out or soft pedal the giro just because of alberto's prescence. In his book Wiggins talks about his regret of riding in the grupetto on the zoncolon stage of the 2010 giro, sacrificing a top-10 finish to be fresher for the tour (which didnt work). Also he's a patriotic and fairly historic guy that would want accept a podium finish (podium finishes in every GT in his career)
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21 Jan 2013 08:57

I do find it odd that even though Contador is by far and away the best GT racer that many of his fans have to demean other riders to get some kind of satisfaction. Not just Wiggins but pretty much any of the GC riders. Baffling really.
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21 Jan 2013 08:57

Also just like to say that Contador will be a huge challlege to Wiggins. With Rujano, Sanchez and Nibali there the mountain attacks would be far more serious than in the tour 2012 and Contador woudn't be on his own up the road
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21 Jan 2013 09:15

Beter question would be, is Contador going to ride the Giro full throttle.
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21 Jan 2013 10:01

Wiggins will ride the Giro for sure. Interesting that Evans reckons the Giro/Tour double is possible according to an interview yesterday. He thought that as long as their are no setbacks such as sickness etc....he thinks for a rider in great form, it is possible. I would be surprised if Contador started the Giro simply because he has said that Tour will be his main focus this year after not riding it last year and he will be hungry for success in the race. It would be interesting though if he did ride both and Wiggins did the same. Froome, Andy,Evans and Rodriguez would be not too unhappy if that happened !
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21 Jan 2013 10:06

airstream wrote:It is conventionality and not a guarantee of defeat. Going by talent, everyone should surrender straight on the start, no?


It is wrong to explain everything by the train. Wiggins was very strong himself. He was the second climber in the race, after Froome.

Today Wiggins is a much better time trialist than in 2009. And even back then he was a very good climber, considering how much he had to work at the front. Wiggins had back up only on Le Grand Bornard stage. On the rest stages he defended very decently looking into account that it was his debut like a GC contender. But again he improved as a climber too.

The reason?

My logic is Contador won't be able to win a pure class if Wiggins will show up at 2012 level. Moreover it will be very difficult to win if Wiggins turns out to be the second climber in the race. It's very hard to gain time by miles alone even for Contador.

In all the years: Contador won alone:
- 45 sec on Verbier;
- 50 (?) sec on Angliru;

All the rest was gain with one's help. Contador needs cooperations, he needs the guys who will be very good (better than Wiggins) climbers. Nibali and Basso will be stronger than Wiggins? I'm not sure.


I don't think Contador will start, but regardless... it's a bit much to assume that Wiggins will be the (second) best climber in the race. Sure, if you account for consistency and take the Sky train - Froome in particular - for granted, then yes, he was the second best climber in the Tour, but that was on a medium mountain course... ASO even advertised it as such.

Basso on 2010 form would certainly be able to drop both Wiggins and Nibali. Don't forget that Scarponi was a better climber than Nibali in the 2011 Giro, either. Nibali is not some guy that will easily win the Giro if the big guns aren't there.
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21 Jan 2013 10:11

Can't help but feel that Wiggins is ridiculously underrated on these boards. The guy wins Paris-Nice, Romandie, Dauphne, Tour and Olympic time trial in the one season! I get that he's kinda boring, but the bloke was a bit of a superman in 2012...

I don't see Contador just wiping the floor with him at the Giro. If we see the Alberto from Tour 09 and Giro 11 then yes, he would be the clear favourite, but can he recapture that form? He was greatly impressive that he returned from the break to win the Vuelta, but he wasn't dominant.

I could see Bradley gaining at least ninety seconds on Alberto in the long time trial, and it might not be so easy to take that back in the mountains. Long range attacks might put the Brit under pressure, but he may also have a pretty strong team to assist if required. Certainly Contador is the favourite for mine if he races and focuses on the Giro, but not too far ahead of Wiggins.

And how does Nibali have more votes than Wiggins?!
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21 Jan 2013 10:15

18-Valve. (pithy) wrote:I don't think Contador will start, but regardless... it's a bit much to assume that Wiggins will be the (second) best climber in the race. Sure, if you account for consistency and take the Sky train - Froome in particular - for granted, then yes, he was the second best climber in the Tour, but that was on a medium mountain course... ASO even advertised it as such.

Basso on 2010 form would certainly be able to drop both Wiggins and Nibali. Don't forget that Scarponi was a better climber than Nibali in the 2011 Giro, either. Nibali is not some guy that will easily win the Giro if the big guns aren't there.


Oh, how differently we look at that... :p On a serious note, I do not understand WHY Wiggins is not able to defend strongly in a time trialist manner say as Andreas Kloden did in his best years. He will not compete with Contador in explosiveness. Wiggins' style may seem lazy, inflexible, disgusting (quite relevant despriprion, considering how he is estimated), but it is just a visual thing. If he is on form, he will be ride like a train himself even at 8-9% sections.
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21 Jan 2013 10:21

gregrowlerson wrote:Can't help but feel that Wiggins is ridiculously underrated on these boards. The guy wins Paris-Nice, Romandie, Dauphne, Tour and Olympic time trial in the one season! I get that he's kinda boring, but the bloke was a bit of a superman in 2012...


The Tour was a telephoned victory. The route suited him very well. Evans' sudden "form crisis" and the absence of Contador and Schleck certainly didn't hurt, either.

The other races you mention are perfect for him. TT-heavy races, sadly.
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21 Jan 2013 10:26

18-Valve. (pithy) wrote:The Tour was a telephoned victory. The route suited him very well. Evans' sudden "form crisis" and the absence of Contador and Schleck certainly didn't hurt.

The other races you mention are perfect form. TT-heavy races, sadly.


I would agree, if Wiggins would godlessly have given away the time on the climbs, but he was strong there too.

The man got over Angliru among the best while being not in the best shape. Why should we belittle his climbing skills?
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21 Jan 2013 10:40

airstream wrote:Oh, how differently we look at that... :p On a serious note, I do not understand WHY Wiggins is not able to defend strongly in a time trialist manner say as Andreas Kloden did in his best years. He will not compete with Contador in explosiveness. Wiggins' style may seem lazy, inflexible, disgusting (quite relevant despriprion, considering how he is estimated), but it is just a visual thing. If he is on form, he will be ride like a train himself even at 8-9% sections.


kloden never won a gt and was never even close(although he should've won 2006)
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21 Jan 2013 10:44

airstream wrote:I would agree, if Wiggins would godlessly have given away the time on the climbs, but he was strong there too.

The man got over Angliru among the best while being not in the best shape. Why should we belittle his climbing skills?


He can handle those "single climb" stages just fine. Verbier 2009 proved he could do it.

Anyway, I expect Wiggins to be up there in the first mountain stages of the Giro. I think he'll have the pink jersey for quite some time.
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21 Jan 2013 10:46

18-Valve. (pithy) wrote:He can handle those "single climb" stages just fine. Verbier 2009 proved he could do it.

Anyway, I expect Wiggins to be up there in the climbs in the first mountain stages of the Giro. I think he'll have the pink jersey for quite some time.

if he's anywhere near his top form he'll start stage 19 in pink (barring a huge L'Aquila-style breakaway). That's for sure. AC or not.
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21 Jan 2013 11:25

Eshnar wrote:if he's anywhere near his top form he'll start stage 19 in pink (barring a huge L'Aquila-style breakaway). That's for sure. AC or not.


Yup.

Stage 19 will be a nice leg softener for stage 20. I expect him to lose the Giro in the Tre Cime stage. Make sure you'll have your popcorn ready. ;)
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21 Jan 2013 11:32

18-Valve. (pithy) wrote:Yup.

Stage 19 will be a nice leg softener for stage 20. I expect him to lose the Giro in the Tre Cime stage. Make sure you'll have your popcorn ready. ;)


I think climbs themselves can't flip Wiggins drastically. Neither Giau, nor Trecime. Only numerous attacks from different guys can do that. What is more they need to begin to check Wiggins out on the Giau already. To expect Wiggins not to endure Trecime properly is very conceitedly. If Contador will be here, it is very likely indeed. If not, I don't see it happening. Are Nibali, Sanchez or Scarponi attacking climbers with successfull experience? no, no and no.
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21 Jan 2013 11:35

18-Valve. (pithy) wrote:The Tour was a telephoned victory. The route suited him very well. Evans' sudden "form crisis" and the absence of Contador and Schleck certainly didn't hurt, either.

The other races you mention are perfect for him. TT-heavy races, sadly.


By Evan's form crisis you mean illness. As for Wiggins being weak over multiple climbs I don't see it. Schleck had no chance of beating Wiggins on last year's route. As for Contador, he certainly would not have bested Wiggins in the TTs. It would have been a fascinating battle between them.
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