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2013 Santos Tour Down Under Stage 5: McLaren Vale -> Old Wilunga Hill, 151.5km

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27 Jan 2013 01:35

on3m@n@rmy wrote:Wow. Great racing on old Willunga shown on TV with Robbie McEwen commenting.


I think McEwen's commentary has been great. He has found himself an alternative career.
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27 Jan 2013 01:41

hughmoore wrote:Have the first criterium on Sunday night, then stages/race starts on Tuesday to Sunday. No point having another Criterium Tuesday night.

Commercially its makes more sense to have over 100K of spectators in city centre on Sunday afternoon for couple of hours.

Hugh


Forgot about the earlier race. Oh well it is what it is. I think I enjoyed last year's edition more but Corkscrew stage and Willunga were both good.
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27 Jan 2013 02:29

Congrats to Gerrans and Slagter.
Sky did very well but having only EBH as a climbing domestique would have hurt Thomas' chances.
I liked the fact Blanco, OGE, Movistar and RS tried to ride aggressively.

Being on Wilunga yesterday was great (atmosphere and all) and i could proudly say i did not get passed by any cyclist going uphill and finished 2 mins in front of my Dad. Menglers was harder though.

The day before (Tanunda) i got 11 autographs- O'Grady, Kittel, Gasparotto, De Gendt, Will Clarke, Howson, Rabon, Favili, Kern, Moinard and Morabito.

Andy would not sign on the day and Gilbert wouldn't either.
I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong

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27 Jan 2013 02:35

Hugo Koblet wrote:Slagter was very strong. On paper Blanco has a very good team for the Ardennes with Slagter, Mollema and Nordhaug.

And also Boom for the new AGR course.
I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong

The Grand Boucle wasn't just Europe's for the taking.

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27 Jan 2013 02:40

movingtarget wrote:I think McEwen's commentary has been great. He has found himself an alternative career.


Yeah, for sure. Robbie has always been very passionate about cycling, speaks well, and is not afraid to say anything, and that should serve him well. He's a definite upgrade to Ligett and Sherwin with his knowledge. Maybe P & P won't say so many nutty things this season if Robbie continues to work with them. One thing I like about Robbie is you know where he stands... he really wears his emotions on his sleeves.
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27 Jan 2013 13:06

^^absolutely. intelligent,good sense of humour, plenty of knowledge, articulate and passionate too.at the moment,one of my favourite commentators of cycling.


by the way,here are the fastest old willunga ascents of last 4 years:

http://climbing-records.blogspot.ro/2013/01/huge-speed-up-old-willunga-hill.html

kind of a an extraordinary feat this year.
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27 Jan 2013 13:12

jens_attacks wrote:by the way,here are the fastest old willunga ascents of last 4 years:

http://climbing-records.blogspot.ro/2013/01/huge-speed-up-old-willunga-hill.html

kind of a an extraordinary feat this year.
give credit to sky. i guess thomas doesn't give a ****.
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27 Jan 2013 13:22

jens_attacks wrote:^^absolutely. intelligent,good sense of humour, plenty of knowledge, articulate and passionate too.at the moment,one of my favourite commentators of cycling.


by the way,here are the fastest old willunga ascents of last 4 years:

http://climbing-records.blogspot.ro/2013/01/huge-speed-up-old-willunga-hill.html

kind of a an extraordinary feat this year.


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27 Jan 2013 13:30

Slagter :cool:
BYOP88 wrote:Great to see that Porte has rediscovered his 2010/11 climbing form. Hope he can keep it for the rest of the Tour and year.
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27 Jan 2013 13:34

And then they say Willunga would be too long a climb for Slagter :p
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27 Jan 2013 13:34

jens_attacks wrote:^^absolutely. intelligent,good sense of humour, plenty of knowledge, articulate and passionate too.at the moment,one of my favourite commentators of cycling.


by the way,here are the fastest old willunga ascents of last 4 years:

http://climbing-records.blogspot.ro/2013/01/huge-speed-up-old-willunga-hill.html

kind of a an extraordinary feat this year.


Bad comparison. For the majority of the climb, both Slagter and Gerrans were sitting in the wheel and the stage finished on the climb. If you compare that to 2010, where the leaders were over 20k's from the top to the finish and had attacked a lot earlier on the climb, the climbing speed isn't as impressive.
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27 Jan 2013 13:40

auscyclefan94 wrote:Bad comparison. For the majority of the climb, both Slagter and Gerrans were sitting in the wheel and the stage finished on the climb. If you compare that to 2010, where the leaders were over 20k's from the top to the finish and had attacked a lot earlier on the climb, the climbing speed isn't as impressive.

Blablabla. All I conclude from these numbers is that Slagter > Evans.









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27 Jan 2013 14:45

auscyclefan94 wrote:Bad comparison. For the majority of the climb, both Slagter and Gerrans were sitting in the wheel and the stage finished on the climb. If you compare that to 2010, where the leaders were over 20k's from the top to the finish and had attacked a lot earlier on the climb, the climbing speed isn't as impressive.


trust me,i took that into account when i said "huge speed". and the headwind from last year too.
still, this was enormously fast.especially from this time of the year.


go and ride up one time up old willunga and tell us your time:p then you will realize how impressive that was :)
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27 Jan 2013 15:07

jens_attacks wrote:trust me,i took that into account when i said "huge speed". and the headwind from last year too.
still, this was enormously fast.especially from this time of the year.


go and ride up one time up old willunga and tell us your time:p then you will realize how impressive that was :)

There was a headwind this year too. Phil Liggett spoke of a 'tornado'. And if he says so, you know it's true.

Of course all the circumstances for a fast climb were there: attacks from the bottom, a good pace in the group to cover these attacks until the final k, and then a full on sprint to the top.
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27 Jan 2013 15:31

auscyclefan94 wrote:Bad comparison. For the majority of the climb, both Slagter and Gerrans were sitting in the wheel and the stage finished on the climb. If you compare that to 2010, where the leaders were over 20k's from the top to the finish and had attacked a lot earlier on the climb, the climbing speed isn't as impressive.

Also in 2012 they had raced really hard before the final climb, if I remember correctly there were only 20-30 guys or so left in the peloton when the final climb started.
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27 Jan 2013 23:05

theyoungest wrote:There was a headwind this year too. Phil Liggett spoke of a 'tornado'. And if he says so, you know it's true.


:D. I rode up the climb before the riders came through for the 2nd time and it did not at all feel like there was a headwind- maybe because of the crowds blocking it but still.
I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong

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28 Jan 2013 01:03

jens_attacks wrote:trust me,i took that into account when i said "huge speed". and the headwind from last year too.
still, this was enormously fast.especially from this time of the year.


go and ride up one time up old willunga and tell us your time:p then you will realize how impressive that was :)

:rolleyes:
No **** it is going to seem impressive when you compare the speed I ride it with the professional riders. It was a fast climb. But when looking at the circumstances of other years, it brings the 'impressive speed' into perspective.
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29 Jan 2013 09:15

I wasn't on the hill itself on Saturday, but there were short gusts of quite strong breeze blowing in this area that arvo. I assume one of those were Phil Liggett's "tornado" but... the top of the climb is really well shaded and is hardly exposed at all.

The main thing we find when playing on Willy Hill is that surges at the bottom in the steep section can cause havoc with your total time. Watching the tv here it looked like the main group took it pretty steady through the town and through the steep lower sections. The fast guys waited till close to the last kilometre where the gradient drops right off before turning on the turbos, which is supposedly the best way to guarantee a quick time up the hill. It's hard to compare the time as the Strava segment (which is based on the Red Devil's TT) starts at the top of the town, but scaling that to that climbing records site data (which measures from the bottom of High Street) gives Slagter and Gerrans VAMs of very close to 2000.

What I'm trying to say is, Slagter and Gerrans had the perfect launch while Evans and Valverde attacked a lot lower on the hill, exposing themselves to more wind and potentially put themselves near the red in the middle section, but they were ridiculously fast regardless.
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29 Jan 2013 10:40

badboyberty wrote:I wasn't on the hill itself on Saturday, but there were short gusts of quite strong breeze blowing in this area that arvo. I assume one of those were Phil Liggett's "tornado" but... the top of the climb is really well shaded and is hardly exposed at all.

The main thing we find when playing on Willy Hill is that surges at the bottom in the steep section can cause havoc with your total time. Watching the tv here it looked like the main group took it pretty steady through the town and through the steep lower sections. The fast guys waited till close to the last kilometre where the gradient drops right off before turning on the turbos, which is supposedly the best way to guarantee a quick time up the hill. It's hard to compare the time as the Strava segment (which is based on the Red Devil's TT) starts at the top of the town, but scaling that to that climbing records site data (which measures from the bottom of High Street) gives Slagter and Gerrans VAMs of very close to 2000.

What I'm trying to say is, Slagter and Gerrans had the perfect launch while Evans and Valverde attacked a lot lower on the hill, exposing themselves to more wind and potentially put themselves near the red in the middle section, but they were ridiculously fast regardless.



That is another factor, the wind. Also the distance from the finish is to be considered.
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29 Jan 2013 11:43

absolutely guys,absolutely.
i always said that it's just statistics those time ascents i take. not accurate for a scientific point of view almost at all.
of course cadel storming on his own, in the big ring very early on willunga was in terms of watts superior to what slagter and gerrans did.the drafting at 27 km/h is hugely important and they drafted this year a lot.
i wasn't comparing them at all.
BUT it really was a very fast ascent.according to veikkanen,ellisonde did 6,7 w/kg. and it's january.
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